Significent events that have occurred since this interview:
On 2 February 2006, Fr. Kolvenbach informed the members of the Society of Jesus that, with the consent of Pope Benedict XVI, he intended to step down in 2008, the year he would turn 80. As the superior general is elected for life, Kolvenbach was only the second to resign the office.
The 35th General Congregation of the Society of Jesus convened on 5 January 2008 in Rome. On 14 January it accepted Kolvenbach's resignation and elected Adolfo Nicolás as his successor.
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The Most Powerful Man In The
The "Black" Pope
Count Hans Kolvenbach—The
4/15/00 RICK MARTIN
So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.
You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rockefellers
in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly
motivated, other-dimensional "master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.
While all of those details contribute to
understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little
side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general
public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of
"conspiracy theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.
To call the following outlay
"controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!
After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday, March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric’s historic masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone on for another forty.
We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact, in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent backup, Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview) several excerpts from his soon-to-be-published book which will help you in understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and broad-sweeping story. The missing link is surely a central link.
Let’s call this story the "Jesuit-Vatican connection" to the unfolding New
World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess such a collection of information detailing much "censored" data about our true, otherworldly cultural heritage.
When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.
In this business, I’ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I had to pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain historical portions in Eric’s book—well, let me just say that Truth certainly is stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions we’ve been led to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does fit together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
This book SHOULD be a best-seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve such general attention—considering how well controlled and censored is the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of this most astonishing and critically important material here in The SPECTRUM.
We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And there is probably no more fundamental, mind-rattling, and previous notions-shattering example of that than what is being presented here. The interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts from Eric’s eye-opening book—which will be available July 1.
[Editor’s note: It should be noted up-front that the information presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at The SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical research which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been presented by many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And that is good; Truth is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.
However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership—which typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the general public—we do not want to give the impression that we agree with (or wish to promote) some collateral aspects of Eric’s presentation having to do with his personal "religious" convictions. The focus of those convictions follows a much more biblically conventional (literal) path—in stark contrast to the unconventional, questioning, wide-angle vision of his historical material.
Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their own—for you to sort and interpret as you see fit—rather than being singled-out to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the practical side of Eric’s stated religious convictions include the condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest) and use of armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our philosophical position—for many reasons, not the least of which is the obvious Adversarial bait-and-entrapment which would result from choosing what we would consider to be low-frequency responses to schoolroom Earth’s current challenges.
Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates
"between the lines" thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual message in Eric’s commentary—of "Have the courage to speak The Truth" and "God helps those who help themselves"—which we certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have long supported enthusiastically.
We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The Light of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to step forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that nudge or continue to hide in fear? The answer to that question is perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom Earth’s relentless testing at this critical time.
One last-minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts & Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air—on Easter Sunday evening!—a new two-hour documentary called: The Vatican Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the lines of dialog and some of those people chosen for commentaries are many, many clues to the true power of the Vatican over world affairs. It would, of course, be much more revealing to watch the A&E program AFTER
having read and digested the following.]
Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of your book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of global control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our conversation with a very important point of clarification so that our readers have something to hold onto while reading the historical narrative we are about to present. Let me also add that your book is one of the most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I have ever read. I want to tell you, I am impressed!
You, literally, link every major global conflict and political assassination to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many other groups you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.
Today, the present. I’m going to start here, and then we’re going to go way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE because it will give a foundation for going back in time.
Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so-called "Black Pope" [black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to race or color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it still Jean-Baptist Janssens?
Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I believe, the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See
photo nearby.] I call him Count Hans Kolvenhoof.
Martin: Let’s discuss this position of
"General" and, in addition, who is this person, Count Hans
Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are his origins? Where does he hail
Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman,
his nationality is Dutch.
Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is
Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the
headquarters of the Jesuits, called the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit
General resides in Rome at, what I just called, the Jesuit headquarters.
Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the
Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican,
right. It’s in the same general area. It’s headquarters of the Knights
Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?
Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.
Martin: Where does Satan fit into this
picture, and what is the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, the so-called Society
Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other
high Jesuit Generals, they are sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they
worship what they would call Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They
believe in Lucifer.
Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was
invited—because he was a top Jesuit at the time in the late ’60s—he
was invited to a "Black Mass" in Spain where there were quite a
few top Jesuit Generals present. And he called it a "Black Mass".
Well, when you’re involved in a "Black Mass", you’re involved
in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.
Martin: I’m fascinated by Count Hans
Kolvenbach because nobody in the world knows who this person is. I’ve
never heard the name.
Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can
see his picture and his top Jesuits—just a second and I’ll get the book.
The name of the book is called Jesuits: A Multi-Biography, by Jean
Lacoutre, and that is available, usually, in the bookstores. It was
published in 1995.
Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist,
is a communist. On the last page of the pictures in it, that is right
adjacent to page 343, you see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He’s the Jesuit
General, and he looks like just a very evil individual. There’s a Black
man, who’s a high Jesuit, he’s a 29 Superior Jesuit with his
cosmopolitan General staff. One of the General staff looks like Ben Kingsley
of Shindler’s List. There are six White men, and one Black man. And
that’s his General staff.
Martin: What is the process of choosing a
Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and
he’s elected for life—unless he becomes a "heretic".
Martin: And the so-called "High
Jesuits" represent what group?
Phelps: I would say that they’re the
"professed", the high 4th Degree. When a Jesuit is professed, he
is under the Jesuit Oath; he is under the "Bloody Oath"
that I have in my book.
Martin: Do we have permission to reprint
that Oath in our paper?
Phelps: Of course, absolutely.
Martin: One of my questions has to do with
the Oath and it’s similarity to the Protocols
Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that question before I
got back to the Protocols portion of your book.
Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols
because they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook.
They have carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says—and he was a
Jesuit—he was greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate,
Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack
Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I,
II, III, IV, V, & VI.
Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with
the Pope who published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it
was just the Jesuits themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones
who were able to bring this to pass.
They’re the ones in the government. They’re the
ones behind professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a
Knight of Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All
your top owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of
Malta, getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports,
while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things in
the Protocols—that they would create "amusements".
Another one they used was Walt
Freemason—Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with
Hersey Park. They create all of these amusements and games and pastimes to
get the people drunk with pleasure, while they’re busy overthrowing the
Protestant form of government.
Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all
Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part,
is controlled by the Mafia. But all the high Mafia families are Roman
Catholic, and they are ALL subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New
York, which is Cardinal O’Connor—because the Commission, the Mafia
Commission resides in New York.
Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission,
and he was intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul,
And that has not changed.
So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with
the High Mafia Dons—the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them.
And they control Hollywood, not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are
front-men who are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for
the Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector
was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the assassination [of
President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.
Martin: Now, as we go through here, if
there’s anything that you don’t want me to print, please let me know
because, literally, I’m going to print everything we say in this
Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me
because it needs to be said.
Martin: Let’s get back to Count Hans
Kolvenbach. I want to shine the spotlight on this guy for just a little bit
here. Let’s talk about him. What does he do? Who is he? Let’s talk about
his position as "General". How do they exercise this control over
the Pope? Does the Pope know he’s a pawn?
Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So,
which question do you want me to deal with?
Martin: Let’s just shine the light right
on the Count.
Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.
Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me
everything you want to tell me about that position.
Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute,
complete, and total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his
provincials move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are
around 83 provincials right now.
As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided
the world into 83 regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit
provincial. There are 10 provincials in the United States. There is one for
Central America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world
into these provinces.
So it’s old Babylonian provincial government,
centered in Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly
a Roman form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate
to this worldwide sovereign.
The Jesuit General exercises full and complete
power over the Order. He meets with his provincials. When they decide to
start a war or an agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of
that country, how best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and
then he uses legitimate grievances to foam an agitation—like the 1964
Civil Rights Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because
the end result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the 1964
Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the
University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.
The Jesuit General rules the world through his
provincials. And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits,
and there are many Jesuits who are not "professed", so many of the
lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no
concept of the power of their Order.
It’s just like Freemasonry.
The lower have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working
for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being
good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are
subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with
Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the
Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were
suppressed by the Pope in 1773.
So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order
and the most powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great,
during their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when
you see the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars
carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins,
whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.
It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The
Count Of Monte Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount,
Cristo=Christ. The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking
about the Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed,
and many of them were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West, off
the coast of Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their
power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe who had suppressed them,
drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of Malta from Malta,
And Alexander Dumas,who fought for
the Italian patriots in 1848, to free Rome from the temporal power of the
Pope, wrote many books and one of the books was to expose this, and that was
The Count Of Monte Cristo.
So, when you read that book, bear in mind that
it’s really a satire on the Jesuit Order regaining their power in France.
The Count of Monte Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can’t be
beat. Well, that’s the Jesuit Order.
But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to
have, or his last wish, and that’s the love of woman. He gains back all of
his political power; he gains back everything he lost; but he doesn’t have
the love of a woman. And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They
have no love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you
have an allegiance to your wife and family, and you cannot obey the General.
That’s why they will NEVER be married, and that’s one of the great KEYS
to their success.
They can betray a nation and walk away. They can
betray all the Irish Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away.
They can betray us in Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time
we go to the hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away,
because it’s "for the greater glory of God"—Ad
Majorem Dei Gloriam: the greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.
Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the
Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of
the world, with the Pope of their making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in
Jerusalem. That’s their ultimate goal.
Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple
rebuilt so important?
Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always
wanted that. When Ignatius Loyola first started the Order, one of the first
things he did was, he wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit
headquarters there. So, he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came
back, went to school, started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a
good idea to just review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.
Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish
soldier, and he was wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish,
and his leg was shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very
brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set the
leg and sent him back to his home—which, of course, he was royalty to the
Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the Basques.
Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain
his leg—it had healed improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch
the leg, with severe, horrible, awful pain—and trying to stretch this leg
to get it back to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it
rebroken, again, a couple of times and it still did not heal properly, so he
had a perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among women, and as
a result, he went into this depression, and he then had this vision of the
saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual exercises.
I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a
minute, but I’ll take up from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army,
but when this happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual
exercises would be basic training for all of his Jesuits. That’s what they
will ALL go through. That’s what every Jesuit goes through today.
One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is
that if my superior says "black is white and white is black", then
that’s the way it is. That is in his spiritual exercises. That is what is
quoted in JFK, when Kevin Costner is telling his people: "Hey,
people, we’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. Black is white and white
is black." That was a Jesuit giveaway that the Jesuits produced that
movie, because they’re quoting Ignatius Loyola in that movie from his
So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will
of steel, and he set his mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the
Reformation. And so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created
the Jesuit Order. But this man is a soldier, he’s a lawyer, and he put
together a legion of soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had lost,
as well as institute a World Government for the Pope, from Jerusalem. This
was in 1540.
He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by
the Inquisition, and he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw
himself at the feet of the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The
Pope chartered him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them,
created the Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their
awful history of deeds of blood. And war after war after war after war,
they’re all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic nobles,
with lots of money, donated castles and schools and money to the Jesuit
Virtually everything they own has been given to
them or stolen by them. Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the
Jews in World War II. They stole all their gold, all their assets and
everything, whenever they went into a country. What’s just been released
is NOTHING compared to what they’ve taken.
In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark
Publications, called The Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great
detail of what they did. It calls it—the last 30 years of war is all
attributable to the Jesuits, their massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But
Edmond Paris did not understand that the Jesuit General—and this is one of
the most important points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach—the Jesuit
General is in complete control of the international intelligence community:
that’s the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the
British SIS. The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire
intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this country, all
of it; he is in complete control of it.
So, whenever he wants to find something out about
an individual, they put in the Social Security number, and everything from
all of the intelligence apparatus kicks-in and he and his provincials can
review everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything
that’s attached to Rome’s social security number, which FDR put upon us
in 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was Archbishop,
or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes—but Rome was behind FDR in putting him in
The couple of things that he did was implement
social insecurity, the income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody
Jesuit USSR government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security
number, that is Rome’s number—that’s why I refuse to use it—and
that’s why they want everybody using it for everything: driver’s
license, tax return, credit card, everything you do, that number is you and
that number is Rome’s number.
Martin: Let me just back-up here for a
minute. What comes to mind is Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.
Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy.
Probably a Knight of Columbus; I can’t prove it. But anybody with that
kind of power has got to be a Knight of Columbus.
And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit
politics. And Louis Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the
Oklahoma City bombing atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman
Catholic named Lon Horiuchi.
So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in
control of the FBI, who carried out all of this killing. And those two men,
Louis Freeh and Lon Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal
O’Connorof New York. And Cardinal O’Connor of New York is
the most powerful Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And
that’s why Bush kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal
O’Connoris the King of the American Empire. And he rules
his Empire from that Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, "the little
Martin: And is he in contact, do you think,
Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not
a Jesuit, but the Jesuits are like the SS of the Catholic Church. They
And the ones closest to him who maintain order are
the Jesuits of Fordham University. Now, one of them—the head of Fordham
University, I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council
on Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the Annual Report
of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain semblance and rule
over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the powerful Jesuits of
Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster Dulles, one of the writers of
the book on the Second Vatican Council.
Phelps: The Council of Trent was the
response of Rome to the Protestant Reformation. Remember—the Protestant
Reformation brought us all of the political liberty that we know of today.
There’s no such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation.
There’s no such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s
no such thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu
and the others, without the Reformation.
So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines
of salvation by grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for
the priesthood to go to Heaven—that all we need is salvation in Christ,
and Romans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the
Reformation came, it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The
priests were no longer wanted because the people were getting the word of
God in a Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And
so, with these great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening,
nations were breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire
was breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a
gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the Holy
Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the Pope.
Well, this was not good for Rome because they were
losing lots of money. The nations were not paying "Peter’s
pence" anymore, which today we call "foreign aid" in this
country. And so the Pope was very upset about his.
What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking
away from us; they’re not under our temporal or spiritual power; and
it’s very important to remember that the Pope claims two
powers—spiritual and temporal—and with the breaking of his spiritual
power, he then lost his temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the
ability to rule the people through the king of the country, because the king
was breaking away, like Henry VIII.
So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and
formed the Church of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was
happening in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.
As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius
Loyola with his demonisms, his "spiritual exercises" and—because
Loyola had been a member of the Spanish Alumbrados,which is
what we call the Illuminati today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt
to regain back what had been taken by the Reformation—what the Lord had
done through Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin, and
Knox—none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to older age
and died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit machinations.
The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those
25 Sessions accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It
condemns anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in
the host [holy communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the
wine. That’s called transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe that
is an accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that their salvation is
outside the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who believes in
justification by grace through faith—anathema, accursed. Anybody who
believes that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ—accursed, anathema. You
see, all of these doctrines were being put forth as a result of reading the Bible,
which produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed everything that
the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called the Council of
In the 4th Session, which is probably the most
important Session, the Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the
press, and freedom of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own
religion; no man has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no
man has the right to freedom of conscience.
Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist
forefathers in the First Amendment. The man who wrote the First
Amendment was James Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was
told by that Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: "If you
don’t secure all those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution."
Virginia was a Baptist/Calvinist state.
So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent
and the doctrines of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John
Calvin in his Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin 
wrote the Institutes Of The Christian Religion, he finished it
when he was 27, and he dedicated it to the King of France. And because the
Jesuits so hated him, he was driven from France and he resided in Geneva to
the day of his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s Calvin and
his Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his Council
of Trent, if you want it sewed-up in two major documents.
Martin: Council of Trent was what year?
Phelps: From 1545-1563, eighteen years. And
Trent is a little town in Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the
town of Trent, Italy.
The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And
Faith that was finished in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another
extension of Calvin’s Institutes, and is what the Church of
Scotland and the Covenanterswent by when they resisted the
powers of Rome and England. That document is a major document, and it’s
not the new Westminster Confession, it’s the old one of 1648, where
they called the Pope the man of sin, that Roman Anti-Christ,
and they also denounced anti-Christian tyranny.
And that it is their duty, to use what they call
"the sword of the spirit", which is the Word of God, which we read
in Ephesians, Chapter 6, and "the sword of just
defense"—the gun, the sword.
So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for
peace and a time for war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when
it’s necessary. It was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in
England with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It was
Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their political liberty, with
William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice, and then later, in our
great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who did not go into
that Masonic Lodge that last 30 years of his life—in his own words—who
was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was baptized in the First Baptist Church
of New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all surrounded by
That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley
Forge; that’s why, when they were naked, when they went through the snow,
barefoot, they endured that because they were Bible-believing
Calvinists and they refused to submit to the tyranny of King George, who was
controlled by the Jesuits.
And that is the soul of our country. If we lose
that soul, we’ve lost everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second
Amendment, secured their right to bear arms, because they secured the
right, the "sword of just defense". And the "sword of the
spirit" is contained in the First Amendment, the right to have
the Bible never taken from them. The two swords of Calvinism are
secured in the First and Second Amendments. Without those
first two Amendments, all the others are nothing.
Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So,
let’s go to #3 of the seventy. (laughter)
How does Shriner Freemason President
Harry Truman’s signing into law of the Emergency War Powers Act of
1950 factor into the Jesuit Agenda?
Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the
Japanese called "Dirty Harry"—when they heard the movie Dirty
Harry came out, they thought it was a movie about Harry Truman,
according to my Japanese pastor friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.
Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the
Pensergast Democratic machine in Missouri.Harry Truman takes
over after FDR’s murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard
Baruch. When he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called
the dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax
called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock over country
after country after country, and replace the leaders with dictators,
subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold War.
And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law
the Emergency War Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were
building bomb shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.
When he signed this into law, it put the whole
country under military or martial law, and that’s when the flags in every
courtroom, state and federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and
every U.S. flag is now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag
trimmed in gold fringe, that means that it is the flag of the
Commander-in-Chief. Now, if it’s the state flag, it means that’s the
flag of the governor, as Commander-in-Chief. And if it’s the federal flag,
or the national flag, more correctly, it’s the flag of the
Commander-in-Chief in Washington.
So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of
military rule. They all proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no
power of jury nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the
Empire, which I call 14th Amendment America, which is a
military-style, King of England-style country. The courts are nothing more
than courts of the king’s bench, as you can see in Blackstone’s
And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they
all have a flag trimmed in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call,
in Blackstone’s day, the king’s bank. So, we have the king’s bank, and
we have the king’s bench. And it’s run according to military rule,
according to Berkheimer’s great work Military Rule And Martial Law,
published in 1914.
When Harry Truman did this, there was a
consummation of a great plan to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act
and, actually, a war rule. "Daylight savings time" is what was
called "war time". This country only went to daylight savings time
during World War II, and they called it, at that time, war time. So,
nothing’s changed. We’ve never gone back to not turning back our clocks.
We’re still on war time. The income tax is a war tax. It was called a
victory tax in 1942.
So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under
war time, they’re under an emergency war powers act, and the courts are
Martin: Regarding the assassination of
President John Kennedy, which could take this entire interview, you
say that the assassination was ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by
Pope Paul VI, and carried out by the "American Pope", Francis
Cardinal Spellman—who, in turn, used the Knights of Malta, Shriner
Freemasons, Knights of Columbus, and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA,
to carry out the order from Rome. Would you explain why you believe your
particular theory on the assassination to be an accurate representation of
Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The
powers that be are properly outlined [in his book], and proven
through two centuries of showing how it’s all been put together. Now, as
to why, I will be conservative and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s reasons,
that he outlined in his JFK and also his other book called The
The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he
wanted to end the Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA.
That begets two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome
control the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts.
We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was
called "Spelly’s War"—Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over
to the warfront many times and he called the American soldiers the
"soldiers of Christ". The man who was the Commander of the
American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of
Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland.
So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to
make sure that war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of
Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon
Baines Johnson was a 33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the
assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.
And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at
St. Patrick’s Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The
American Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of
Cardinal Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd-in-control of the FBI.
According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,
DeLoachhad a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and
Johnson could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to
Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was
controlled by the Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the
Vietnam War? The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They
would not convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.
There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for
centuries, so it had been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would
have to be "purged". They would later continue this purge of
Cambodia, with Pol Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging
of Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged
the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was completely
controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.
The other thing is that Rome is in control of the
drug trade. The Vatican controls all of the drug trade—all of the heroin,
all of the opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Columbia.
Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat
is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat.Mussolini
had a concordat.Francohad aconcordat.
They want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan
formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The
greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.
So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat.
Do you think that drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a
concordat with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn’t want the
drug trade out of Columbia, they’d end the concordat. The whole drug trade
is run by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the
And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a
couple of centuries ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl
trade. The movie Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of
the Jesuit "black ships" that trafficked in all of this silk and
pearls and gold and opals and everything they could pull out of the East,
The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this
huge massive drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs,
being brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by
the Trafficantefamily throughout the United States—Santos
Trafficante out of Miami.
So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together
in the drug trade. We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the
assassination of Kennedy.
The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that
time, Jean-Baptist Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was
because he was going to end the Vietnam War.
The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of
the CIA, because the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy,
by not giving the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman
Catholic, Jesuit-trained, grease-ball bastard—he was a bastard, his father
was a Nazi—Fidel Castro.
Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs
invasion, which sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs
there, so Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by
the CIA and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling
it, in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution, and
then betrayed all of those patriots into the hands of the Soviet army and
KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.
It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution
and you sacrifice the men who truly want to resist. When that happened, when
McGeorge Bundy stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended
that resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course,
it was meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now
Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his face. What does he want to
do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and takes all of
the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of
the founders of the CIA was "Wild" Bill Donovan,an
Irish Roman Catholic, who are the most fanatical, and his brother was a
Dominican priest, Vincent. So, the CIA was founded by this high Roman
Catholic, the first head, to solidify the Catholic or the Vatican control of
I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m
against Rome’s hierarchy. The American Catholic people know NOTHING of
what’s going on. And if they did, there would be a march on St.
Patrick’s tomorrow morning. So, as I’m against the hierarchy, I’m
showing that Kennedy was against the Vietnam War, and he was going to do
away with the CIA.
Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top
Nazi SS soldiers into the CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill
the Jews in Europe. When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits
followed with the SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That’s why
Stalin deliberately killed 40,000 of his best officers. That’s why he
kicked out his best generals, purged them, because he wanted to make sure
that the Red Army would lose with the advance of the German army, because
following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the Jews that Stalin so
hated. And by the way, justice is often poetic because Stalin’s daughter
married a Jew.
Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now
was an arm—and the intelligence arm—of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta
were throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight of
Malta. The Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the
"Vatican desk", and that is a desk within the CIA that has a
direct link to the Vatican.
So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence
community". That was the end of him.
Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and
attempting to end the Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the
Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank by printing United States Notes, they got
rid of him. They killed our only Roman Catholic president.
And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a
Roman Catholic—not Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and
others—it’s a Roman Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal
power of the Pope in this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy
was, in fact, a socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal
power of the Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his name.
But what have they done to his name? They’ve
slammed it. They drag it into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they
parade before you his womanizing, which I don’t deny, but my goodness,
can’t we give him some credit where credit is due? That’s why they got
rid of John F. Kennedy.
And then, of course, as soon as he’s
assassinated, John McCone, the head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they reverse Kennedy’s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and make a full-scale, carte blache war.
The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their anti-gravity machines, their men who they’re trying to make like the "million-dollar man". They tried out all their new technology in Vietnam. It was a great experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this. He knew it, and he knew that the American people had no idea what was going down, and he still tried to resist it, against his father’s warnings. Because his father was the most powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.
Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?
Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John F. Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father’s real killers, and he had the power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right away. They would not allow that to happen.
Phelps: Because I am immortal—until the
Lord is done with me. I am a Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the
sovereignty of God. And as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot
touch us, regardless of their power.
Martin: Which is why we’re having this
Phelps: Which is why we’re having the
conversation. Don’t think for one moment they’re not tapping this phone.
They know this. The issue is here. We’re talking about a providential,
sovereign God who wishes to move, using second causes, men, just as the
The Devil always uses second causes, men. So,
it’s one group of men vs. another group of men, and one path leads to
evil, and the true, almighty God leads to goodness.
The problem is, with us, there are very few men who
want to believe God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It’s
just a handful of us who say: "Well, we’re going to do His Will;
we’re going to trust Him in His Power."
And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown
into the fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us.
We’re going to tell the truth!
Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a
lot of these questions. So much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our
current times because there’s so much going on now. But, good grief! I was
just stunned to read in your book of all the historical things that have
happened as a result of these evil people. You dedicated the book to four
Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy,
Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why them?
Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men
were priests; they left the priesthood and told the truth about what was
really happening. And all four of them, except one, I think Emmett
McLaughlin, paid with their life. Chiniquy was the great exposer of the
Jesuit assassination of President Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty
Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was
assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was covered-up by our government at
Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman
who came here and, seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that
it was so corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later came
to Christ and became a Bible-believer, which they would call a
Protestant. Protestants today don’t believe the Bible.
Protestantism of today is an empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back then, in
1912, they believed the Bible.
Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the
things he exposed, that helped me with this, was that he warned that the
Jesuits, with their Knights of Columbus—which, he says, the Knights of
Columbus, named after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a
pirate and a deflowerer of young girls—that Columbus was no Christian.
He has a tremendous section in his book on
Columbus. That the purpose of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfill
Jesuitical politics, and part of those politics was to restore the temporal
power of the Pope because, you remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and
they wanted to get it back. And they got it back with Mussoliniin
Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he
says that Taft and Teddy Roosevelt were all cow-towing to the Pope and the
Cardinals of New York. And he said they’re going to use our military to
restore the Pope’s temporal power around the world.
And THAT was absolutely correct. That is
American foreign policy. And the Council of Trent is the American foreign
policy of today. That’s what’s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the
Council of Trent—the Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those
orthodox people to smithereens. But, that was Crowley’s great
Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He
wrote The People’s Padre; he wrote Crime And Immorality
In The Catholic Church, showing that Catholic nations are more lawless
and more criminal than Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics
from the jails.
Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The
Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln
was assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the
Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never was
saved, but he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a virtuous and
honorable life after he left.
The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who
was greatly hated by the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came
out and, in the late ’60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the
ecumenical movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome
controlled Billy Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our
Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the
obelisk, indicating that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So,
Alberto Rivera converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a ministry
called The Anti-Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.
They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed
a needle up between his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain.
When he passed out, about a year or so later, they couldn’t figure it out.
Everybody was praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to
another dentist. He had it removed.
He was pushed in front of a subway train. They
tried five times to kill the man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer,
in a hospital, about three years ago. But these four wonderful, great,
Catholic priests did their best to expose the power of Rome and its attempts
to destroy our sovereign, Protestant, Bible-believing nation. And so,
to them, I dedicate it.
Martin: What compelled you to write this
book? What started it for you?
Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot,
a patriot first and foremost—America first, and everybody else second.
Later, when I came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible
taught the same thing—that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never
instituted world governments; that’s always the result of the Devil’s
So, being a patriot and a nationalist—believing
in national sovereignty—I was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was
garrisoned in a nuclear weapons area for three years in Germany, came back
and started to go to Biblecollege.
When I went toBible college,
the issue of the King James came up, as far as it being an archaic
version. And that’s what I used and I had never given it a thought. Well,
some were using NIV, some NASB, and I thought: "Well, maybe it’s just
a modern version of what I have here." And I thought: "Well, if
they want to use that, that’s fine, but I’ll use the King James."
I found that the underlying Greek text for the King
James, the Textus Receptus, was the Greek text of the
Reformation. It represents 95% of the existing manuscripts that we have
today. The Greek text that underlies all these other versions—there’s a
Westcott and Hort Greek text, which I then discovered was really a
conspiracy to adulterate the Textus Receptus in England, led by
Brooke Foss Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors,
Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal
Newman to sit in on the revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a
traitor to the Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew-off the
AnglicanChurch. He then left England and he was then a
Cardinal by Pius IX.
So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey,
had been invited to sit on this revision committee, the end result being a
Greek text that had been produced that was pro-Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.
Jerome’s Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit’s Reheims-Douay
text, that was put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival William
Tyndale’s English text, which later became the King James Version of
So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible
college, attempting to deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version
of 1611, in it’s present edition of 1769. Now I thought "Well, here
the Jesuits are, what else have they done?" And the next thing I was
led to was the Lincoln assassination. And I can remember reading Burke
McCarty’s The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham
Lincoln, and weeping in the back room, when I was in college.
Martin: For me, one of the most compelling
portions of your book was the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was
stunned by that.
Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember,
Lincoln was not going to go along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted
those Southern states to re-enter the Union on the same footing that they
had left, which would have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had
established it. This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted into
an Empire. The states would be subordinate provinces to Washington. And the 14th
Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion of citizenship. And
Lincoln was re-elected, and he was ready to end this, and that’s why they
killed him. Kennedy was ready to implement his things; they would not let
him be re-elected.
Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever
come across The Jefferson Bible?
Phelps: The Jefferson Bible—and
maybe you know this—is Matthew, Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson,
being the Deist, being the pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural
from those three gospels. Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the
French Freemasons who were involved in the French Revolution, and he was not
here at the writing of our Protestant Constitution. So, the Lord put
him out of the picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the
Revolution—because the Lord does use the unGodly for good things. But
Jefferson copied much of the Declaration Of Independence from the Mechlenburg
Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians of North Carolina,
when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg seceded from the
Martin: Never heard of it.
Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in
Presbyterian writings. You can find it from D. James Kennedy; he has a thing
on it. And Jefferson copied, at the end: "...and to this end we devote
our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."
That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg
Declaration. Jefferson was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he
was out of here at the time of the writing of our Constitution. And
the reason why the people of Virginia did elect him to office was because he
was a State’s Rights man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that
was a good thing. And when Jefferson was elected, he undid everything the
king-president John Adams did, with his Alien & Sedition Laws, because
John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson undid it, and Jefferson got
two terms for that.
Martin: I’m looking at some things that
are a little further back now. The Secreta Monita. What’s the
significance of that?
Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts
at the end of this interview] are the handbooks that are given to the
professed Jesuits, those under extreme oath. [The oath is
presented in full at the end of this interview.] And it tells them how
to conduct their plans, subjugating peoples and nations to the Jesuit
General, and thus, to the temporal power of the Pope. It tells how they are
to deceive. It shows how they are to swindle rich widows out of their
fortunes, like they did with Astor’s second wife who survived the Titanic
catastrophe. It shows their general approach on how to do things.
This particular book cannot be known, and if it’s
ever published, they will deny it’s existence. But when you see the works
that the Jesuits have done, it’s in complete agreement with the Secreta
There is a very interesting section in Edwin R.
Sherwin’s book The Engineer Core Of Hell, written in 1886 I
believe—another suppressed work. It’s usually in the archives of all the
older libraries back here. And he shows how this Secreta Monita was
discovered in South America by a Mason, and the Mason managed to escape to a
lodge after being shot. He turned the Secreta Monita over to the
lodge, and then these certain Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita.
There are certain low-level Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order is
their enemy, so that’s why it was taken to the lodge and then published.
But the high-level Masons, of course, work with them. The Secreta Monita
was discovered once that way. It was published in Holland. Then, in 1857,
reprinted by England.
Martin: Pascal’s Provincial Letters
had a devastating impact on exposing the Jesuits. Why?
Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a
French Calvinist. So here we have another fearless man. He doesn’t fear
death; he’s going to tell the truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of
letters that were written to and from provincials, and he wrote them in a
satirical manner, that of course excited that wonderful French mind. The
French, of course, came to the conclusion that this was absolutely the
truth, and then they moved to suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial
Letters are considered a classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some other
great works, too.
Martin: Pope Ganganelli-Clement XIV
abolished the Order entirely in 1773, and was murdered as a result.
Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.
Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39
times from different kingdoms throughout Europe. It doesn’t take a genius
to figure out that something was terribly wrong with this group!
Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots?
Are all those people brainwashed bigots and fanatical Protestants who
abolished the Jesuit Order?
You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in
Catholic countries, by Catholic monarchs. And that’s why the Roman
Catholic monarchs and nobility of today don’t dare resist them. The
Kennedys won’t touch them. The monarchs of Europe won’t touch them. The
Hapsburgs won’t touch them, because the Jesuits have vindicated their
power in the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars—well, then they
went to suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for the most
part, kicked-out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe banned
them. Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the second
Thirty Years War, was pay-back for this. And ever since then, nobody touches
Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal
Bull; the Jesuits call it a "brief". It is not a brief; it is in
the Library of the Bulls, and it is called Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor.
That is the name of a bull. And when he abolished them, he abolished them
forever—that they were not to talk about their abolition, that they were
not to teach. He confiscated all of their wealth and land and property. For
the most part, the Dominicans took it over, which is why the Dominicans had
their penis cut off during the French Revolution. That’s what the Jacobins
did to them. It was payback by the Jesuits: "You don’t dare take our
property from us, boy. And you don’t dare take Inquisition from us."
Jacobinskilled nearly every Dominican in France.
Martin: Why was the assassination of William
of Orange so significant?
Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of
religious liberty. William of Orange is the man who gave the Jews the
freedom to come to Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, "the new
Jerusalem". William of Orange was a Catholic to begin with. Remember
when he was in the forest, hunting with the king of France, and the king of
France lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the Protestants in
Holland, William kept silent. And that’s why he was called "William
the taciturn" or "William the silent".
So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he
went back to Holland determined that he would deliver the Calvinists and the
Protestants from this annihilation. William went to Germany with his German
wife, and he, according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised
an army of Germans and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so,
it was the Dutch themselves who joined William of Orange in an attempt to
liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild beggars of
So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered
flight from the seige of the fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the
Jesuits, when the Lord providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over
the dikes, and flooded the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.
And then, after that happened, He sent another
strong West wind and blew the water back over the dikes. This is a
historical fact! Why don’t we hear this in history? For the same reason we
don’t hear when Louis XIV brought his army across the river into Holland
to kill all those Dutch, in 1672, right around there, that the river, right
where the army was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French army went to
the bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those Protestants of
Holland. We’re not taught that either!
The assassination of William of Orange was probably
the second most significant act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of
Coligny at St. Bartholomew’s Massacre. Because it was first St.
Bartholomew’s massacre, and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of
course, William of Orange was shot by a Jesuit-controlled assassin,
Balthazar Girard, in his own house. And the last words of William, of
course, were: "God be merciful to these poor people."
Martin: What is the Royal Institute of
Phelps: The Royal Institute of International
Affairs is the same as the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The
Royal Institute runs England and the British Empire, what was once the
extension of the British, just as the CFR runs our country. They’re sister
Martin: Where are they based?
Phelps: They’re based in London.
Martin: And who is their head; do you know?
Phelps: I don’t know right now. The John
Birch Society wrote a lot about that, and they did expose the CFR and the
Royal Institute of International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot
Martin: What was the "Gunpowder
Plot" of 1605?
Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the
Jesuits attempt to destroy what William Howitt—and Howitt was the great
writer who wrote A Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835—he said it
was a Jesuit attempt to destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along
with the entire Protestant Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had
expelled the Jesuits from her empire, and if they were ever caught they were
to be drawn and quartered.
After she died, the conspiracy went on there that
went on with William Cecil. They named Mary Queen of Scott’s son as the
King of England, rather than Elizabeth’s son, because Elizabeth had a son
who was the Earl of South Hampton, Wriothesley,and that was
the son of Edward Devere, who we know as William Shakespeare.
There was no William Shakespeare. The man was
Edward Devere. He ran the Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain
to Queen Elizabeth, and he secretly had a son who was theThird
Earl of South Hampton. He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King
James VI of Scotland.
You can find all this documented in two great
works: the first is called Shakespeare Identified and the author is
Looney. The explosion of that book is called This Star Of England,
written by Carlton and Dorothy Ogborn, in 1952, and it’s a 1200-page work,
and in it they explain all the plays of Shakespeare, and that they are, in
the words of Hamlet: "A brief abstract and chronicle of the
times." Nothing but history.
And then there’s another book, Wasn’t
Shakespeare Someone Else?, written by Tweeny, and in that book he
evaluates the 150 sonnets. In those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere
or Uvre or Vere—he puts his name in acrostics throughout all the sonnets.
And the last couple sonnets he puts his name in double acrostics. It’s
amazing, showing that he wrote the sonnets.
Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about
the Edict of Nantes, and what was it’s significance?
Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of
Nantes—it can be spelled Nantes or Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was
put forward by King Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he
converted to Protestantism and he became a Huguenot. But he was not allowed
to take the throne of France until he renounced his Protestantism. So, for
the sake of the kingdom, he renounced his Protestantism, and in 1610, I
believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.
The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to
all the French. That included the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of
course included those who would have followed Admiral Coligny, who the
Jesuits murdered with that she-wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of
Nantes we have religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a
cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot allow this to be in place. The
Council of Trent condemns it, because it’s freedom of conscience.
So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when
they stabbed him through his heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they
murdered Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the Dutch.
They then, in 1685—when the Beatles are singing about the "Sun
King" in their "white" album, they’re singing about Louis
XIV. And that’s telling you that the Beatles are Jesuit-controlled. The
Sun King, Louis XIV who reigned, who rules over France for, I believe, 60
years, he, because of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise, revokes the
Edict of Nantes, and with that, no more religious freedom in France.
And then they sent their French dragons out and
beheaded and killed every Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000
Frenchmen out of the country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France,
all left for Holland and England. That destroyed France. From then on,
France became a nothing nation.
The French Revolution could never have happened had
not the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now,
there’s no Bible in France. And to this day, the French have never
published a French version of the Textus Receptus. Number one, all
French Bibles have been produced in foreign countries, when they’ve
been translated from the Greek Textus Receptusinto French;
France has never done it. That shows the Jesuit power over France to this
And the French have probably been the most manly,
the strongest, the most gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits
out of their country. They’ve kicked them out, to my knowledge, three
times—and again, they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc.
Drive Eugene Sue into exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into
exile; he can never return to France. All the great Frenchmen are driven
So we have, as American patriots, we have a great
camaraderie for the French. They helped us in our American Revolution. And
why did they help us? Because they’ve been expelled from France. Why did
Spain help us? Why did they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had
been expelled from Spain. So payback came for Spain and France, for helping
this heretic, Protestant nation come into existence, with the Napoleonic
Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the Bubons from the Spanish
thrown. That was payback.
Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618-1648,
you state that the Jesuits, through Ferdinand II, killed-off 10 million
people. That’s quite a statement.
Phelps: That statement comes from
Ridpath’s History Of The World, published in 1899. And that is his
encyclopedia of his history of the world. That was common knowledge in 1899.
The 30 Years War was hell on Earth for Europe. Two-thirds of Germany was
brought back to Rome. It was leveled, plundered, and destroyed.
Wallenstein and Tillywere the
fanatical Roman Catholic generals who raped, pillaged, and plundered
everything in their path. But the Lord raised up certain great generals like
Gustavus Adolphus from Sweden. He was called the "Snow King" and
he was the one who ultimately, he paved the way for the victory of the 30
But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years
War, the peace of Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to,
there would have been no modern era as we know it today. According to any
historian, the modern era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in
Holland ended with Spain. That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand
II and the Protestants of Germany, and Sweden, and so-on.
1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era
began, when inventors could go to Germany and say: "Well, you know,
maybe the Earth isn’t flat." And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the
microscope in Holland, and now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a Bible-believing,
Protestant Presbyterian, he can write his treatise called Electricity And
Magnetism, the father of what we know today about electricity and
magnetism. Now, science can blossom and bloom. Now we can have literature.
Now we can have great writers, like Sir Walter Scott, who writes great works
like IvanhoeandPeveril Of The Peak. Now
we can have Charles Dickens, another Protestant, who writes A TaleOf
Two Cities, one of London and the other of Rome. We have great
literature surfacing as a result of the Modern Era.
But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy
the Reformation and the Modern Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek
to reverse the effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought about
by the 30 Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the
second 30 Years War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also
expelled from Japan. Apparently the Jesuits never forgot that.
Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200
years they have been expelled. And remember the words of Lincoln: "The
Jesuits never forget nor forsake."
So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor
had expelled them, so that dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor
would be destroyed or his dynasty would end. And so payback time was the
mass fire-bombings by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as
the Jesuits own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald-Douglas, and Grumman, and they
used their B-29 to firebomb Japan to smithereens. You can get the fact that
the Jesuits control these aircraft companies from Avro Manhattan’s The
Martin: I’m trying to get a little more
current here, but some of this older stuff is also so fascinating, I’m
going back and forth here. Our readers are just going to have to be a little
flexible in their reading. (laughter)
Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish
Massacre. What was it, and let’s discuss the hatred between the
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, as a result of the Irish Massacre.
Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom
of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth
of Protestantism, because all Protestants were defending their right to
believe the Bible in the face of Rome’s expectations to believe the
priests and the decrees of the Popes.
Many of the Irish were born-again. They came to
know the Lord. Much preaching was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St.
Patrick’s Day, was no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a
great Protestant preacher of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the
Lord. And their point of location was primarily in the North, in Northern
Ireland, which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.
Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath
that we are making and waging relentless war on all Protestants, and all
political liberals, they hatched-out the plot to kill all the Irish
Protestants in Ireland with the O’Neil family. And I wonder if that
O’Neil family was related to Tip O’Neil?
In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman
Catholic nobles and the mobs in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it
continued from 1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed 150,000,
but they still taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children.
So, Irish Protestants were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.
This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking
about Oliver Cromwell, when Cromwellcame up with his Puritan
Army and ended that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing in
Drogheda—men, women, children, animal, everything.
Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look
what he did to Drogheda!" What about those beasts killing those Irish
Protestants for 8 years, bashing out the brains of the little babies,
smashing them up against the walls like they did, led by the priests?
This was just like they did in Croatia with the
Serbs in World War II, when they gouged-out the eyes of all the Serbians,
where one particular priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the
same thing to the Irish Protestants.
So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for
the Irish Massacre, and the Irish Massacre was NOT started by the
Protestants, it was started by the Jesuits according to Fox’s Book Of
Martyrs. And you can find the whole narration there, which was a classic
that all Englishmen used to read with the King James Bible.
Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is
truly Protestant-controlled, Jewish-controlled, or Jesuit-controlled?
Phelps: Well, let’s go back. To understand
today we have to go back to the Napoleonic Wars.
When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to
power in Corsica. When the Jesuits were suppressed, one of their main
outposts during their suppression was the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits,
remember, had finished the High Rites of Freemasonry with Frederick the
Great, and then used their French Freemason Napoleon to execute their
However, the Jesuits were also protected during
their suppression in England. A very wealthy landowner—and you can find
this in Ridpath’s History Of The World—gave his wonderful,
beautiful estate Stonyhurstto the Jesuit Order. And from then
on, the Jesuits received protection by King George III, and you will find
that in Mitchell’s The Jesuits. Mitchell is an English historian.
Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George
III. Well, they’re going to uphold his throne. The Jesuits use the English
army and navy in the resistance of Napoleon, as both sides are controlled,
so that the Jesuits can control the outcome.
The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes
everything that the Jesuits want him to do—the expulsion of the Knights of
Malta, the driving of the Roman Catholics from their throne, imprisoning the
Pope for 5 years, etc.—Napoleon is then ordered to abandon his army in the
snows of Russia, killing all of those French and German patriots, so that
there are very few patriots left in Europe to resist the tyranny coming in
France with Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put back on the throne.
Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King
George’s own parlor, waiting for the end of the Napoleonic Wars. So, the
Jesuits put Louis XVIII back on the throne. He readmitted the Jesuits,
started the Inquisition, just like they did with Ferdinand VII when they
restored him to power in Spain after the Napoleonic Wars.
And where do these monarchs get their protection?
From King George III. King George was used by the Jesuits to restore their
power in Europe, after the Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the Pope and
So, it’s been, really, from 1795, right around
there, that the Jesuits have controlled England. They’ve controlled the
Knights, they’ve controlled the King. All throughout the 18th century,
now, England will never go to war with France again. England will side with
the French during the Crimean War. England will be on the side of the French
during World Wars I & II. England and France are together, both
controlled by the Jesuits—even though France is predominantly a Catholic
country, and when England was, at least on it’s face, a Protestant
country. Why should both be working together, both having the same foreign
policy. Why? Because the Jesuits control both countries.
sent that note, via Roost, into London, saying that Napolean had won the
Battle of Waterloo, that’s when the stocks plummeted, and all the Jesuits
bought all the stocks up, there in London, and got control of the Bank of
England. The Jesuits then made London their commercial center of the world,
and Rome their religious center, aiming that one day Jerusalem would be
So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After
the Napoleonic Wars, we have the Congress of Vienna in 1815, and guess
who’s there? All the representatives of King George. England is
represented at the Congress of Vienna, the settlement after the Napoleonic
Wars. If England was truly Protestant, they would have never went there. Now
the Jesuits are in control of England throughout the 1800s, and they use the
British Empire to further the power of the Pope. England has been under
Rome’s control, the Pope’s control, since, at the very latest, 1850. And
I say since 1795.
Martin: Let’s talk about Elizabeth II.
Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil
queen. She is the head of the Knights of Malta in England. She curtsies to
the Lord Mayor in Old London, and she goes and visits the Jesuits of
Stonyhurst and kisses their derrières. She has complete allegiance to the
Jesuits of Stonyhurst, and will do anything they tell her to do, or
they’ll get rid of her just like they got rid of all the rest of the
monarchs in Europe.
Martin: So you see her as a pawn.
Phelps: She’s just a pawn, sure. She’s
nothing. Remember, White men rule the world. Evil, White, sodomite,
homosexual men rule the world, and these are the High Jesuits, with their
High Knights of Malta and High Freemasons, they rule. And these women who
are involved are just pawns in their game, like the queen, the queen of
Holland, just to give the appearance that these nations have a sovereign
monarch, when in fact, they’re just tools.
England has done some awful, terrible things, but
all of the things that they have done increase and benefit the Jesuit Order.
They never resisted Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman
Catholic Freemason, subject to the Jesuits, who was the King of France for
18 years, second Empire. England never resisted him. They fought with him in
the Crimean War. And Napoleon III dedicated all of his ships to the Virgin
Mary. England has been on the side of the Jesuits since 1815, no later. So,
that means that the British Secret Service is totally working for Rome, all
throughout the 1800s.
Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control
of the Vatican in 1814?
Phelps: Remember that they were in control
of Napoleon. A Jesuit by the name of Abbie Sieyes—you can find him, again,
in Ridpath’s History Of The World—Abbie Sieyes was a
Jesuit-trained individual, and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the
Directory, and he was also on the Consulate; he was the second counsel.
Napoleon was the first; he was the second. He was the advisor and director
of Napoleon. Abbie Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to
imprison the Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the Pope was in prison for 5
years until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to
that, was killed. They brought him over the mountains of the Alps, and he
died through that debacle.
The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They
used their French soldiers to overturn St. Peter’s chair, and they found,
written in Arabic: "There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is
his prophet." And THAT is what is under St. Peter’s chair today. That
was stolen from some kalifduring the Crusades.
So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed
their power. The Pope then restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the
vengeance of the Apostles Peter and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for anyone who
would ever suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were
"reinstalled" in all their power, that’s when they were in
control of the Pope, and from then on they have been.
Any Pope who resists them gets punished or
murdered. And all the Popes know it. When Pius IX wanted a liberal
constitution for the Italian people in 1849, all of the Italians were
delighted. Here is a liberal Pope; he’s going to give us constitutional
rights; we’re going to have a constitution.
The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldiand their Freemasons, and drove Pius IXfrom his
throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a year. When he returned to Rome,
under the protection of Napoleon III’s French army—actually, it was the
republic’s army that would later be his "army of the
empire"—but they returned with a French army, protecting the Pope, he
became the most fanatical absolutist, pursuant to the wishes of the Jesuits.
So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don’t
obey, like, what was it, In God’s Name, the Pope who was murdered
after 33 days, when he didn’t go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended
[Editor’s note: Eric is here referring to the
very well researched and deeply insightful 1984 Bantam Books gem (that’s
very hard to find, for "some" reason!) by David A. Yallop, called In
God’s Name, which details the author’s thorough investigation into
the murder of Pope John Paul I the night of September 28-29, 1978 after John
Paul had been digging into the massive web of corruption surrounding the
Vatican Bank. For all of you who look for clues, note well the choosing of
day 33 since his election for the execution of the murder.]
When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal
did at the PII Lodge, they killed him (Kalvi), and they hanged the other
guy, beginning with the admiralty jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the
sea. So they have their assassins everywhere to carry out orders. They are
machines. They are the perfect "Manchurian Candidates" and they
will kill popes, cardinals, presidents, kings, and kaisers, to maintain
Jesuit power. They are utterly ruthless—just like they said they would be
in the Protocols: "We are merciless."
Martin: As you look around the world today,
who do you see opposing them?
Phelps: It’s interesting. I have a friend
who makes quite a few trips to Haiti. I told her about the Jesuits. She got
to questioning a few people, and she found that Papa Doc had expelled the
Jesuits from Haiti.
Martin: No kidding?
Phelps: That’s right. Isn’t it
interesting, his son was also driven from power and the guy put in his
place, I believe it was Aristide, is a member of the Council on Foreign
Relations and a complete pawn of the Pope and the Jesuit Order—for which
reason, when those Haitians wanted to drive Aristide from his power, this
filthy, Jesuit-controlled government in Washington put an embargo against
Haiti, wrecking the country. See how the U.S. government uses its military,
political, and financial power to maintain the temporal power of the Pope?
And that’s not only in Haiti; it’s everywhere. Russia is another
Martin: Don’t you see, coming up soon in
Israel, some of these powers coming head-to-head over the rebuilding of
Solomon’s Temple? Don’t you see some conflicts with the powers that be?
Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?
Martin: I don’t know; there seem to be so
Phelps: We first have to remember the
creation of the nation of Israel. World War I prepared the land for the
people. World War II prepared the people for the land. World War III, the
battle of Armageddon, will "prepare the people for their
messiah"—with national repentance and realizing that "Jesus, the
messiah, is the savior and will deliver them".
The present government of Israel was set up by the
High Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance
with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very
same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis,
killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people.
These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel today.
I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in
his book Plausible Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who
wrote about certain criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with
the Mossad, something along those lines. The man who wrote the article was
gunned-down in front of his home.
So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It
controls the Israeli government through the Mossad.
Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.
We find that fact in Loftus’ work The Secret
War Against The Jews in most telling, telling detail.
So what do we have? We have high-level treason and
betrayal of the Jewish race; that is there in Israel today, by their own
leaders, who are loyal to Rome and the Jesuit Order. And to show this, we
have a great big Rockefeller edifice in Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology
center in Jerusalem run by the Knights of Malta. There’s nothing but
Knights of Malta, high-level Freemasonry, and the Jesuit Order running all
So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the
Dome of the Rock is, that has got to be removed—somehow, someway. It’s
on the Temple site; it has to be removed.
If I was the Jesuit General, I would make—
somehow, someway—American bombers do it. Because I want to create
universal hatred for this nation of the United States, because in the United
States there are more Protestants and more Jews than any country in the
world, and "we’ve" got to kill all those people. So what better
way than to create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the United
States, coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That’s what I think
is going to happen.
The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site
because, if they do, Rome will destroy their efforts of rebuilding the
Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that
Temple will never be rebuilt. It has to stay in Jewish hands—because the
Jews, and rightfully so, need their own homeland. They’re entitled to the
nation. And they haven’t had their own Temple of worship. They are
rightfully entitled to that.
But what they don’t know is that they are being
used by the Jesuits to rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to
have rebuilt, for the Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the
Anti-Christ of the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s what I
see coming for Israel.
The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away
too much. He probably wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits
will never allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad
kills him. And nothing more is ever heard.
Rome’s—the Jesuit General’s—international
intelligence community carries out all high-level assassinations, kills
anybody who’s against their program. And Cromwell knew this, back in his
day, and that’s why he protected himself—160 of his finest
"ironsides" as his bodyguards, and no one got to him.
So anybody who’s going to resist the Jesuit Order
has to be doing it as a matter of a "religious" conviction—being
protected by God and good men who are loyal to Him. If it’s simply
political, with a hired Secret Service, you can forget it.
Martin: Let’s go back to St. Patrick’s
Cathedral in New York. Why is that so significant? You talk about the
American Pope. Again, that person is?
Phelps: Cardinal O’Connor.
Martin: Now, what is his role in the United
Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title
"American Pope" was gotten from Conney’s work. John Conney wrote
The American Pope, I believe in 1988, so a lot of this information is
from that document.
The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He
is the most powerful Cardinal in the United States. He is what’s called
"the military vicar".
The military vicar is in command of all of the
military orders within the United States, they being the Knights of Malta
and the Knights of Columbus. He is also in command, and privately, of
"the Commission" because Cardinal Spellman was an intimate of Joe
Kennedy, and Joe Kennedy was an intimate of Frank Costello.
We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who
enabled "Lucky" Luciano to be released from the prison in New
York, to return to Italy in 1946. And this was because of the Luciano
Project that I mentioned in my book. But Lucky Luciano, his Mafia on the
East Coast, worked in conjunction with the U.S. Navy, supposedly to protect
the Eastern seaboard from German U-boat attack.
So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky
Luciano—that filthy, wicked, evil, heartless spiritual bastard, who
compelled young girls into prostitution, probably one of the cruelest things
any man could do. He is released and sent back to Rome.
When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the
Cardinal needs a favor. After all, he’s released Luciano. So now the Mafia
gets to participate: Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all the
High Dons participate. Why? Because that Cardinal in New York controls the
And that Commission, you know what it controls? All
of the trucking, all the supermarkets, it’s power is beyond our wildest
imagination, second only to the Knights of Malta. And, of course, they all
control the Federal Reserve Bank.
The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank
through the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations
belongs to the Cardinal.Spellman was not a member of it,
during his day, but two of the most powerful members were Knights of Malta:
Henry Luce and J. Peter Grace, and also William F. Buckley, to this day.
William F. Buckley is indeed one of my enemies, because I name him, and he
is a powerful multi-billionaire who participated in the Kennedy
assassination, just like Iacocca, another Knight. Both of those men are
subject to Cardinal O’Connor and will do ANYTHING he says.
Martin: Do you know who is head of the
Knights of Malta, now?
Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over
when Grace died in ’93. Flynn is head of the American branch. The head of
the worldwide branch, the international Knights of Malta, is Andrew Bertie;
he’s an Englishman. And you can find that in the National Catholic
Reporter, when you go after their various articles on the Knights of
Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually
meet, actually hold meetings with the Jesuits?
Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander
Haigis a powerful Knight of Malta. His brother is a Jesuit.
So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of
Malta, who meet in their palace on Aventin Hill, in Rome, of course, meet
with the Jesuit General, and so on. And Count von Hoensbroech, who was a
German Noble who became a Jesuit for 14 years—he wrote a two-volume work
called Fourteen Years A Jesuit. His father was a Knight of Malta.
Yes, the Jesuits work in conjunction and have regular meetings with the
Knights of Malta.
The Knights control the money. The Knights control
the banks. They control the Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of
England; they control the banking. They were the ones who were behind the
sinking of the Titanic, with the creation of the White Star Line, J.P.
Morgan and others.
Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?
Phelps: Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a
Freemason, because he is the leader of the Temple called the "Federal
Reserve Bank" and they always put Jews in the forefront—so that they
can blame all of what they do on the Jewish race in this country, to create
an anti-Semitism everywhere, just like Charles Coughlin, the radio Jesuit
priest of the ’30s did.
Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews
need to be publicly rebuked, because they are creating the mass genocide of
the Jewish race in the United States. The Jews are being blamed right now
for the foreign policy in Bosnia. Madeline Albright—she’s a
Jew—they’re blaming her for what’s going on in Serbia. I’ve got a
good Serbian friend who blames her. I said she’s just a pawn of the Jesuit
CFR. Don’t blame the Jewish people. It’s these Jewish "pawns"
who are loyal to the Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.
The Zionists—the Jesuits are the Great
Zionists. They control all of the historical High Zionists—Theodor Herzl,
David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the
Jesuits. They are the rulers; they are the Protocols; they are the
Elders of Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are
controlled by Rome. The Jews are not all Zionists.
I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in
1976, and a lady said to this particular man that I had met: "You’re
more of a Zionist than we are!" And I thought: "What does that
mean? I don’t understand that."
I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he
doesn’t hate the Jews; he can’t stand the Zionists. And I’m thinking:
"What’s the difference?" I, later, learned that there is a great
difference between those Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox Jews
can’t stand the Zionists.
So what’s the difference? The Zionists are
socialist communists, controlled by Rome. They are atheists, just like the
Jesuits, although they’re being used to rebuild the nation of Israel. They
are the enemies of the Jewish people, per se.
There’s no conflict going on in the Middle East.
There’s no conflict going on with the Arab nations. All of the Arab
nations are under the command of Masonic kings or iotollas. Saddam Hussein
is no enemy of George Bush; they’re both brothers, brothers of the lodge.
That whole thing was set up to kill off a whole bunch of Arabs for the
protection of the Zionist state of Israel.
Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business
partners. We’ve covered that in recent past issues of our newspaper.
Phelps: Sure. That’s why they never killed
Saddam. They could have easily killed him. The CIA can kill anybody they
want to. They could have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use
their own Arab agents in there. Saddam was a very important tool.
Martin: Still is.
Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab
peoples and nations at bay by controlling them through their leaders. Or,
when they start to get out of control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then
foment a war and kill off a whole bunch of them. Make sense?
Martin: There was a statement you made in
your book about the Jesuits controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was
almost a surprising statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis
Farrakhan would be pretty adamant.
Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one.
Well, let’s think a little bit here:
Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a
Cardinal. It was Cody; I don’t know who it is now. Do you think anything
goes down in Chicago without the Cardinal’s approval?
Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.
Where is Louis Farrakhan’s—that
murderer’s—mansion? Chicago. He lives like a king.
What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols
Of The Learned Elders Of Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam
people, so that they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.
That’s right. Those three little tidbits,
right there, prove that the Nation of Islam is totally under Jesuit control.
They are going to be used to foment anarchy and agitation, because they have
an army called "the fruit of Islam", and they have millions of
rounds stored in all the major cities—guns stored everywhere,so
that they can start the race war. And when that happens, you see, then the
brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law, suspend the Constitution,
and now the Jesuits have what they want.
So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate
the White people, for their own destruction, for the destruction of the
Black people themselves. And the Nation of Islam is part of that.
When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about
10-15 days, about 10 years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried
to be paramount, there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It’s a
"hate the White man" religion. Every White man is a White,
blue-eyed Devil. And they’re playing—the Zodiac killer, back in
California many years ago, all Moslems. So it’s a "hate the White
man" religion, designed to foment agitation and unrest.
Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with
them. The only problem is, Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being
used and he separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.
Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.
Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.
Martin: Yes, he was.
Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used
by the Jesuits, because he hated the King James Bible, he was a great
agitator. When he went to Mecca, he changed.
Martin: Yes, he did.
Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped
being an agitator. He stopped hating the White man. He started to set up the
African-American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by the high
leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.
And what do they both have in common? High-level
And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation
of Islam and the Klu Klux Klan—one agitating Blacks, and the other
agitating Whites, to the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights
Movement had the Jesuits behind that—with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a
great mover and shaker of the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation
resulted in amalgamation, race-mixing, the destruction of a White race and a
Black race, producing a nation of hybrids that cannot maintain free
That is what they proposed to do in the first
Reconstruction, but it failed; so they succeeded in the second
Reconstruction in the ’60s. The Jesuits are masters of the races. They
know their strengths and their weaknesses.
The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit
Order is the White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one
hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible
away, they’ve got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that
race. And that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a
racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s
history, and that’s what they’re doing.
Martin: The relationship between
Communism and Freemasonry. Where do the Jesuits fit into Communism
Phelps: Let’s, first of all, look
at the relationship of Jesuitism to Communism. The Jesuits perfected
the tenets of Communism on their reductions in Paraguay, for 150
years, from 1600-1750.
Martin: What is a reduction?
Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In
Israel they would call it a kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin’s Russia
they would call it a commune. In New York they call it a village. In
France, Paris, they called it a commune. It’s communal living
where everybody is equal in their finances, in the labors; you have
no great, no small, no rich, no poor—everybody is small, and
everybody is poor, and everybody is controlled by a dictator.
That’s the essence of Communism.
The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay,
which were the communes, had a central bank, and it was "each
according to their ability and each according to their need".
And so, the Guarani Indians that were the subjects—and there were
some 200,000 of these South American Indian natives who were slaves
of the Jesuits, putting their goods into world commerce and trade.
They were living under the tenets of Communism, perfected by the
Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s Republic and Sir Thomas
Moore’s Utopia. The Jesuits perfected it on their
With that, they then introduced Communism
in 1848 through Karl Marx. They tutored him in the British Museum,
according to Alberto Rivera, an ex-Jesuit.
So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be
the one to put forward this Communism for the world, so that
Communism would look like a Jewish brain-child, so that Communism
could be blamed on the Jews. Well, what’s not told is that the
Jews involved in the implementing of Communism were Masonic Jews.
Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason, a worshipper of Lucifer,
whose father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was a
Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the
Jesuits, implemented Communism in Russia. Lenin, the half-Jew, was a
Freemason. That civil war that took place from 1917-1922, for 5
years, was given the appearance that it was primarily Yiddish. I
mean, they’re on the streets of Russia talking Yiddish; they had
Yiddish signs; and it was wanted to give the impression to the world
that this revolution was of Jewish origin.
For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews
faired very well, but in 1922, Joseph Stalin, that great Jew-hater,
who was educated by Jesuits in Georgia—which was a country south
of Russia and, therefore, the Emperor’s banning of the Jesuits
from Russia, his Ukase, did not reach to Georgia. So the
Jesuits stayed in Georgia, trained Joseph Stalin, brought him in
after the Revolution, and made him Secretary of the Communist Party
in 1922, until he died in 1953.
The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of
course, Stalin was also a brother Freemason. They used Freemasonry
to implement Communism in Russia, and from there, China, and from
there, throughout the world.
When Germany had their revolution after
World War I, their Communist revolution—remember, they requested
an armistice—they had never been beaten on the field of battle.
The Germans were foisted into that war;
they never started World War I. It was started by France and Russia
and England, for the purpose of destroying Germany, because Germany
had expelled the Jesuits. During that war, the Germans requested an
armistice to stop this Communist revolution in Germany.
And who lead the revolution? The German
According to the Kaiser, in his memoirs, it
was German Freemasonry that got him off his throne and deposed him.
He had to go into exile in Holland. He wrote his memoirs in 1935.
So the relationship between Jesuitism,
Communism and Freemasonry we see evolving and expanding from the
1600s to the ultimate achievement in the Bolshevik Revolution.
In my book, I parallel the French
Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, and they are identical. It
was French Freemasonry that caused the French Revolution and the
Jacobins, and it was the Freemasons in Russia, with Bolsheviks, who
caused the Russian Revolution, with their Bolsheviks, leading and
ending in Joseph Stalin. In France, it ended with Napoleon; in
Russia, it ended with Stalin. And so, that’s the relationship
Martin: Why was Eugene Sue so
Phelps: Eugene Sue wrote his
masterpiece The Wandering Jew, and in that masterpiece he
weaves a fantastic story from India to England to France, of the
power of the Jesuit Order and their attempt to destroy the Rennepont
family, a French Huguenot Protestant family, and acquire a fortune
that’s due to be inherited by the members of that family on a
certain day, at a certain time, in a certain year.
Well, that fortune is held, in trust, by a
Jew, for which reason the book is named The Wandering Jew. It
tells of the power of the Jesuit Order in that book, and how the
Jesuits mercilessly killed all these members of the Rennepontfamily
so they could not inherit their fortune.
The only one, I believe, they didn’t kill
was a priest, whose name was Gabriel, who was a decent and a
righteous Catholic priest who repudiated the Jesuit Order. He
ordered the Jew to burn all the securities, that totaled something
like $212 million, that would have rightfully been this French
So, the Jesuits didn’t get it, nor did
the French family get it. It’s written with such drama and feeling
that you cannot put this book down. It was translated into many
different languages. As a result, the French, and other nations, had
their French Revolution, the second French Revolution of 1848. But
because it was not lead by Godly men, it benefited the Jesuits.
Whenever you have a revolution led by
unGodly men, it’s just like a man who’s on a horse, trying to be
pushed off the horse, and as he’s pushed off, another dictator
takes his place. That’s exactly what happened in France, and
Italy, and the nations who were involved in that second French
But Eugene Sue had motivated the people of
France to expel the Jesuits, and they were finally expelled in 1880
by a French Freemason, in the 3rd Republic, Leon Gambetta. So,
they’re all Freemasons who resist them, but they pay with their
lives, like Garfield, like Gambetta, Roosevelt, Franklin D.
Roosevelt. Roosevelt really didn’t resist them; he just was killed
Martin: Again, I’m jumping around.
Martin: What was Operation Mongoose?
Phelps: Operation Mongoose was
purely "black ops" in the words of Fletcher Prouty. Of
course, Fletcher Prouty I consider the authority on what Operation
Mongoose was. Operation Mongoose was to "give the
appearance" of resistance to Castro’s government by attacking
Cuba but, in effect, solidified his reign there. That’s what it
ultimately produced. And that’s what the Knights and the CIA
ultimately wanted. Ok?
The agreement that Kennedy made over the
Cuban missile crisis in 1962—first of all, there was no missile
crisis. There’s no such thing as nuclear war. There’s no such
thing as a nuclear attack. That’s all a hoax. It’s just as much
a hoax as going and landing on the Moon. It’s a hoax.
Nuclear war, that fear, was the basis for
the Cuban missile crisis. And out of that hoax, Kennedy strikes a
secret deal with Khrushchev that, if you keep the missiles out of
Cuba, we won’t bother Castro anymore. Well, that’s what the
Jesuits wanted anyway. They wanted to solidify Castro in power.
So that whole theatrical performance
solidified Castro’s power in Cuba. And the question is: Why would
the Jesuits create this fanatical power in Cuba, run down the Cuban
people, put them in poverty, imprison them at random, create a
living hell down there, drive out the Mafia—the Mafia could no
longer have their casinos in Havana?
Why would the Mafia give up their casinos?
For the international drug trade to be developing out of Vietnam.
Therefore, if the Mafia is leaving, and we
don’t have a bunch of American tourists going down to Cuba
anymore, and Cuba is really a secret country—the Bible is
not allowed there, missionaries are not allowed in, obviously under
Jesuit control, Castro was trained by Jesuits—what’s the purpose
of Cuba under Castro?
It’s purpose is as a landing base for
foreign invasion. They have hundreds of vehicles, underground, in
underground caves there, ready for a massive invasion to the East
Coast, primarily the South. Because the last of the Protestants in
this country are in the South.
Cuba will always be under a dictator and
will never go back to freedom, because it is to be a landing base.
And you know what? It could very well be a landing base for a Jihad
that the Moslems will foment against us, because they’ll come
right across from Africa to Cuba, get reinforced, and then go
landing into Florida, with all their 5th-Column Cubans in Florida
and Miami right now. Sounds wild, but—.
Martin: That’s a sobering thought.
Phelps: Yes, it is. Sounds wild, but
I’m telling you, all the geography is in place. However, they
can’t pull this all off until they get your guns. So that’s why
they’re constantly creating these gun issues—people shooting
people, the Columbine High School bit—to justify the confiscation
of all the guns. And when that happens, then they can do what they
want to do.
Martin: There are a lot of strong
Americans out there.
Phelps: The only problem is this:
they’re not united and they can’t be lead. Americans are
leaderless because they do not follow. They all think their opinions
are equal, and they’re not. I would follow General Patton
anywhere. I wouldn’t question an order of his. We don’t have men
like that today, for the most part, because we don’t have leaders
like that today.
Martin: I found your account of
Patton’s assassination fascinating, also your speaking of the
Jesuits’ poisoning of him.
Phelps: A member of the OSS came out
in the Spotlight [newspaper] and said that. His name
was Zapata, that agent. He said he was given a contract on Patton
for $10,000. He didn’t kill him, but he knows the guy who did. So,
Patton was murdered, and General Vlasov was murdered, and both of
them hated the Jesuits’ "Grand Inquisitor", Joseph
Stalin. They would have united together to eradicate Russia of that
dictator, but the Jesuits would not have it because Russia is
theirs. They must control the Orthodox Church to bring it back to
Rome. That’s why they got rid of the Romanoffs.
Martin: Patton’s take-out was
ordered by "Wild" Bill Donovan? Did I read that?
Phelps: That’s right. Wild Bill
Donovan was the head of the OSS at the time. And if you get Anthony
K. Brown’s The Last Hero, it’s on Wild Bill Donovan. He
is in the Vatican at the end of his life, in a picture, walking in
the Vatican to receive one of the highest medals from the Pope, for
a "lifetime" of intelligence service to the Vatican. That
is in The Last Hero and the picture is mesmerizing. I want to
put it in my book.
The OSS is nothing but an arm of the CIA
and the Vatican, and that’s why they took out Kenendy. They kill
all the generals who don’t "play ball".
Martin: Let’s talk about the CIA
and the FBI some more. What can you tell me about their relationship
to Count von Kolvenbach?
Phelps: Well, based upon the past,
if the CIA and the FBI carried out the assassination under Spellman,
and Janseens was the Jesuit General then, the same power structure
is in place. So, von Kolvenbach, through his Knights of Malta and
Jesuits, control the FBI and CIA. And his liason of control is now
Cardinal O’Connor in New York.
Martin: Some time ago, with Gunther
Russbacher and others, there was talk about a split in the CIA, of
different factions. Some even say there is a third faction in the
CIA that has split off. What’s your opinion about factional
divisions within the CIA?
Phelps: I think it’s true. I know
that Angelton was the mole. Angelton was the one who betrayed all
those CIA agents in Russia, in which the vast majority of them were
killed, when he gave all that information to that KGB kingpin on a
farm in New York, in a van, stuffed with all the highest, top secret
CIA documents. Ok?
Colby comes along as the Director of the
CIA—I know his brother, he lives nearby me—Colby comes along as
the Director of the CIA and what does he do? He fires Angelton. Bad
news for Colby.
Martin: Yeah, it was.
Phelps: They filled him up with
lead. Eric Timm, he was also against Angleton; he was history.
That’s all told in Anthony K. Brown’s work Treason In The
Blood. There’s a whole little chapter on Eric Timm and some of
the other guys in the CIA who were against Angelton. They all died.
So there’s a faction in the CIA that knows that something is
rotten in Denmark, and they don’t quite know what it is.
Hopefully, they’ll read my book and see that the CIA is just an
arm of the Jesuit Order and Knights of Malta, carrying out the
Council of Trent and the Pope’s temple power, and will REVOLT, and
start to tell the truth themselves.
It’s the same way in the FBI. My father
lectured at the FBI Academy. He wanted to be in the FBI, but his
parents were Communists, so he was not let in by J. Edgar Hoover.
But the FBI has low-level agents who wonder just what’s going on.
A lot of them didn’t approve of what happened in Waco.
They need to come out and tell the
truth. This whole "house of cards"—and that’s what it
is, this is not an undefeatable, invincible monster—it’s a house
of cards; it plays on FEAR. If men would tell the truth, and come
out and tell what they know, and not be afraid, this whole house of
cards would crumble. That’s what they need to do.
Martin: Who is Avery Dulles?
Phelps: Avery Dullesis the
son of John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, I believe, under
Eisenhower. Avery Dulles is a Jesuit, and he was the nephew of the
head of the CIA during the Kennedy assassination, who was Allan
Dulles. And Allan Dulles was a Freemason, also called "the
gentleman spy" in the book The Gentleman Spy.
Martin: What was Angelton’s role
in the Kennedy assassination?
Phelps: Angelton was the one who was
to "investigate" it on the part of the CIA. (laughter)
Angelton also, I believe, was liaison to
the Warren Commission—no, that was Dulles. But Angeltonand
Dulles were working together on that, because Angeltonwas
the Chief of Counter-Intelligence and he manned the Vatican Desk,
and he manned the Israeli Desk.
See how they’re maintaining the Zionists
in power, with the Israeli Desk? So, they saved Israel’s hide in
the ’73 war, because Kissinger almost lost it for them. Alexander
Haiggave them, the Israelis, those anti-tank
missiles, and got them in their hands before the Egyptians got into
Israel and disabled them. That was Alexander Haig, Knight of Malta,
for which reason he was also the Supreme Allied Commander for NATO,
promoted over 260 of his peers.
Martin: Do you know anything about
Haig’s statement "I’m in charge now!" Do you remember
Phelps: Yeah, I do. I don’t know
all of the implications, but I’m sure it fits in with him being,
in fact, in charge in the Nixon White House.
Martin: Ok, I want to go back to the
Kennedy assassination, and I’m going to just mention some names:
Clay Shaw, Jim Garrison, J. Peter Grace, Henry Luce, E. Howard Hunt,
John McCone. Why are they so important to this story?
Phelps: Give me one and we’ll
start with one.
Martin: Let’s start with Clay
Phelps: Clay Shaw was a Knight of
Malta. He was the head of the international trade mart in New
Orleans. Roman Catholic, homosexual, multi-millionaire, lived
lavishly, etc. Clay Shaw was the personal friend of David Ferry.
David Ferry was a CIA agent, and was also a pilot for Carlos
Marchello—the CIA and the Mafia together. Clay Shaw also was a
friend of Lee Oswald, and Garrison proves it.
Here we have Clay Shaw, who was in the CIA.
It was admitted by Richard Helms that Clay Shaw was a "contract
agent" for the CIA, and the highest security involved in the
Kennedy assassination, because he gets an attorney for Dean Andrews
who’s subpoenaed by Garrison. So, if Clay Shaw is involved, he’s
a Knight of Malta, he’s high CIA, and he can’t go down.
That’s why the court was packed. The
judge was biased against Garrison. The defense of Shaw was unlike
any before. There was a guy behind, whispering to the defense
attorney. That’s not allowed in a courtroom defense.
Shaw HAD to be found innocent, because if
he was found guilty, now the CIA is going down. Now we’re going to
have a revolution. So, Clay Shaw had to be found not guilty.
But it wasn’t many years after that, he
died under suspicious conditions and never had an autopsy. He died
of lung cancer. But he’s part of the brotherhood, and the Jesuits
are very powerful in New Orleans.
Martin: John McCone.
Phelps: John McCone was a very
powerful industrialist, and one who was part of the
military-industrial complex, before he became the head of the CIA.
He later went on to become part of, I believe, ITT.
John McCone was another Knight of Malta,
head of the CIA, and participated in the Kennedy assassination by
virtue of him being its head. And he’s Knight of Malta.
Angelton is a Knight of Malta. Henry Luce
is a Knight of Malta. William F. Buckley is a Knight of Malta. And
William F. Buckley then ran the National Review—and what
does he do? He blames Oswald as the lone assassin.
Where was the picture concocted, for
Oswald, as though his head is put on this body that’s not his? It
was concocted, probably, I believe, in the Time-Life
Building, when they did that, because Time-Life has a whole
bunch of CIA agents in it. And, remember, Time-Life is right
across the street from St. Patrick’s Cathedral, where Cardinal
Spellman was ruling from.
So, Spellman was overseeing the whole
thing, with Henry Luce. And, if you get Luce And His Empire,
there is a picture in there of Cardinal Spellman, Luce, Grace, Clare
Boothe Luce, and Dean Rusk, on the 1963, 4-year anniversary of Time
magazine in the Waldorf Astoria, only months before the Kennedy
assassination. And there’s Dean Rusk, the architect of the Vietnam
War, according to the words of his own son.
Ok, who’s the other one? Howard Hunt.
Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, of course.
He said he was never in Dallas the day of
the assassination, but Mark Lane proved that he was. Thank God for
Mark Lane. Here’s another Jew getting in the way of the Vatican.
Just like Daniel Ellsberg—here’s another Jew getting in the way
of the Vatican’s Vietnam War.
You see Jews who are getting in the way of
the Vatican, and the Jesuits are furious about it. So here’s Mark
Lane; he’s openly defeated William F. Buckley in court before; now
he proves that Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, in Dallas the day of the
The jury came forward with that verdict,
and who is Howard Hunt? Howard Hunt is a personal friend of Henry
Luce, a correspondent for Time-Life. He’s a personal friend
of William F. Buckley. He goes to one of Buckley’s parties at the
New York Yacht Club. He knows them both. He knows two of the High
And guess what? Guess what Howard Hunt is
called? He’s called "Knight". (laughter)
I wonder what he was—Knight of Columbus,
or whatever. But he’s involved with the brotherhood.
So he was there on the day of the
assassination, intimate with Luce and Buckley. Just as the chart
says on my web page. And by the way, your readers need to look at my
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/ web page.
Martin: I’m going to mention a few
Phelps: Oh, J. Peter Grace we
forgot. J. Peter Grace was the head of the Knights of Malta in 1963.
He is the head of W. R. Grace, and he’s one of the largest
shipping tycoons in the world, in control of all the shipping in
South America. Grace is a powerful man, or was a powerful man.
Martin: Has anyone filled his shoes?
Phelps: Yes, Flynn is head of the
Knights of Malta now, down in Florida where there new office is.
They moved from New York to Florida, I think BoccaRaton.
They have 11 Knights of Malta on the W. R. Grace board.
And, of course, guess who owns Taco Bell?
W. R. Grace.
So now we see W. R. Grace involved in the
poisoning of America with fast-food chains, so everybody gets heart
disease, clogged arteries, so they can go to bypass surgery and
further enrich the medical profession, while carrying out their
medical inquisition. Isn’t that clear? So not only are they going
to kill all of the American people, but they’re going to make
billions doing it.
Martin: I’m sure they’re
laughing all the way to the bank.
Phelps: They sure are. And where
Grace did his banking, W. R. Grace, they did their banking at
Chemical Bank in New York. Guess who runs Chemical Bank? Knights of
Martin: Jim Garrison was a very
Phelps: Yes, he was. He lost his
marriage. He lost his children. He suffered greatly through this,
doing what he did.
Martin: Ok, I want to talk about the
movie JFK. You mention the Jesuits, in control of Time-Warner,
produced Oliver Stone’s movie JFK. What was the reason for
this? To just further cement, subliminally in the minds of the
American people, their absolute power?
Phelps: I think that might be part
of it. But, I think it’s a test. It’s a test: tell the American
people the truth to see what they will do about it. And they did
And that was the end of Garrison, or Kevin
Costner’s speech, in the courtroom, when he said "It’s up
to you." And he looks directly into the camera. So, he’s
looking at us.
That was a call to do something about it.
It’s a test. What will we do? And you know what was done? Nothing.
The men in power, the men in the know, the men who could have said
something, did nothing. So that was the purpose of the movie.
Meanwhile, they interweave all these Jesuit
subliminals all throughout the movie: "Black is white, white is
black"—when Garrison is at the restaurant, talking to his
people—that’s Ignatius Loyola. David Ferry shows pictures of his
Catholic uniform there, and Satan pictures in his apartment, all
very much Jesuitism.
There were a couple of other things I
noticed that I can’t quite remember. Oh, they had a subliminal
"study the past". It goes on there, it’s on a building
or something, "study the past". And they said:
"It’s like Caesar; he’s not in the loop." Well, Caesar
was murdered by those close to him. And the ones who murdered Caesar
were the priests of Rome. There’s all kinds of subliminals in that
movie which point to the power of the Jesuit Order, all over. The
assassination—right after they take his body out of Parkland
Hospital, they’ve got the cross on it, the crucifix. That is a
very unique, Jesuit crucifix.
When I was at a Jesuit retreat in Redding
one day, I just wanted to walk through the place. I wanted to see
where these sinners rule from, so I thought I would walk through the
place and check out the rooms. It just so happened that the Jesuits
were on the second floor, by themselves. So I went to the first
floor and the third floor, and looked into the rooms. They were
little, tiny rooms, and on every bed is a crucifix with a crucified
person on it. It’s not the Jesus Christ of the Bible;
it’s their Jesus Christ. And that’s the same exact crucifix that
was put on the coffin, in the movie, when they’re shipping the
And get a load of this: the guy who came to
give Kennedy the Last Rites, Oscar Hubert, his superior was the
Bishop of Dallas, by the name of Thomas Gorman. Bishop Thomas Gorman
was a Knight of Malta, answerable directly to Cardinal Spellman.
Martin: Let’s talk about Cardinal
Spellman. Who was he? Why was he so important? You say, in the book,
he really was the man behind it.
Martin: Why do you say that?
Phelps: Cardinal Spellman was,
first, very much involved in politics all of his life. Remember, he
was trained by the Jesuits at Fordham. He was trained by Jesuits at
the American College in Rome. When he came back here, he was taken
care of by Nicholas Brady and his wife, multi-billionaires in
control of Union Carbide, and various banks,
Spellman was part of getting FDR into
office, although I believe Cardinal Hayes was the Cardinal. Guess
who FDR names as his international agent, during World War II?
Francis Spellman. Francis Spellman was throughout the war-front
during World War II, going to and from the Vatican, the Allied Army,
etc. And, with that, he built a huge network of contacts. He, also,
of course, had contacts with the mob.
So, by the time of the Kennedy
assassination, we have Cardinal Spellman here, who helped the Nazis
get into the United States, with the FBI.
I met one of those Nazis about 6 months
ago. I call him Pete. He showed me his Nazi SS overcoat, which is a
beautiful overcoat—I’d love to have it. And it was the FBI who
brought all of these High Nazis in and resettled them, and gave them
money to settle.
Who did that? Francis Spellman, by helping
those criminals escape the theater of Europe so that they could not
be prosecuted. It’s called the "Vatican Ratline" that
Loftus writes about in his Unholy Trinity.
So, Spellman is involved in getting the SS
out, helping the Ustashis. Spellman is involved in this whole second
30 Years War of the Vatican in Europe, outlined by Edmond Paris in
his Vatican Against Europe.
And so, he is in a perfect place to carry
out the assassination. He has contacts with the Knights of Malta in
England, with the Knights he controls in America; he has his Jesuit
contacts who trained him at Fordham and Rome; he was a personal
friend of Pius XII during the war.
He was a personal friend of the secret
cold-warrior, Montini, Pius VI. So he is the perfect man, with all
of the connections, to carry it out. He has contacts with the CIA,
the Knights from the CIA, the Knights from the FBI, in the person of
Carthe DeLouthe, who still lives. He had contacts with high-level
Freemasonry, with people like J. Edgar Hoover and their raving
against Communism, Communism, Communism—international, Godless,
He and Hoover are bosom, probably bed,
partners. And so, Spellman is in a place to be in control of the
CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and through Freemasonry, the Dallas Police
Department—like they control every major city’s P.D. And so he
carries it out.
And then he’s also in control of the
press, in control of Time and Life, with Henry Luce,
so the press never gets it. He’s in control of CBS, with a man
named Frank Shakespeare, who was the head of CBS at the time.
So you think Walter Cronkiteis
going to tell us the truth? No way. He’s in control of CBS,
NBC, ABC. They have stocks in it, for heaven’s sake. So,
there’s no way the story’s getting out. And he’s in control of
the CIA to hit and kill anybody who wants to come out and tell the
truth, which is why there’s over a hundred dead witnesses over the
last 30 years.
That’s why they took out Fensterwald, in
1992, outlined in the book by that CIA agent First Hand Knowledge,
by Morrow.He was a CIA agent. He was in on the
Kennedy assassination. He completely outlines it in his book, and he
tells of that relationship of the CIA to killing Fensterwald. He
dedicates his book to Fensterwald.
So, how’s it getting out? This is only
getting out by fearless preachers, who preach the Word of God, and
aren’t afraid of telling the truth politically, trusting God that
He will move and do His part, now that we’ve done our part.
Martin: FBI Director Hoover, Earl
Warren, Gerald Ford, Johnson—Jesuit tools?
Phelps: Jesuit tools. All
33rd-Degree Freemasons. And remember, the Council of the 33rd Degree
is located in Washington. They control all of the Shriners in this
country. Washington is controlled by the Jesuits from Georgetown.
The capital of the United States is at
Georgetown University, not the White House.
And if you go into the president’s office
at Georgetown, you will see a picture of Bill Clinton, kneeling at
the grave of Timothy Healy [past president of Georgetown],
while the present president, Donovan, who is on the Walt Disney
Board, is standing behind him.
I wanted that picture; I wanted a copy of
that picture. Those people threw me out of that office. They would
not let me have a copy of it. I sent another person, a lady, up
there. They would not give it to her. I want that picture, for my
book, of Bill Clinton kneeling at the grave of these Jesuits.
Can’t get it. But if you go in the president’s office, it’s
Georgetown is the capital. They control all
Freemasonry. In fact, if you go to Maryland, they’ve got the great
big lodge across from a great big Jesuit institution, in
Baltimore—a great huge Shriner Lodge is across the street from a
Jesuit University. And they’re enemies?
Martin: I want to talk about Bill
Clinton in a minute, but before we get to him, who is Cartha DeLoach?
Phelps: Cartha DeLoach—his sir
name was Deke. He was the 3rd-in-command of the FBI at the time of
the Kennedy assassination. Cartha DeLoach was the real head of the
FBI. Hoover was a wimp. His queer buddy, Tolson, who was nothing,
was second in command.
So Hoover and Tolson were just
figure-heads. The real head of the FBI was Cartha DeLoach, the
Knight of Malta, Roman Catholic, subject to Cardinal Spellman.
Cartha DeLoach fabricated evidence,
covered-up evidence in the FBI, in the Kennedy assassination. That
was proven by Jim Garrison. Cartha DeLoach went on to retire. He
went on to work for a huge industry corporation called PepsiCo,
which the Knights of Malta control, and which have ranches in
Communist China, which they set up. And he still lives.
Cartha DeLoach wrote a book called Hoover’s
FBI. You can get it at the bookstores. In that book he tells
about the Secret Service, the FBI, and the Jesuits.
Martin: Why do you refer to the
Kennedy assassination as the "Achilles’ Heel" of the
Phelps:Because, if it’s ever
known that the Jesuits killed our first Roman Catholic President, if
the Roman Catholics of Northeastern America ever find that out, and
ever believe it, the Jesuits are finished here.
This country is the keystone to
implementing the temporal power of the Pope around the world. If
this country would expel the Jesuits, and we get back our national
sovereignty, and we started to be self-governing once again, we
would have our liberty, and the Jesuits would be out, and we would
begin to experience REAL financial prosperity, and real living.
So, if that is known that the Jesuits are
the ones behind it, that Rome carried this out, the Catholics of the
Northeast would have a revolution. We would have another revolution
because American Roman Catholics are not like Catholics in any other
country: they think. They have their own opinion. They believe in
freedom of conscience. They believe they have the right to express
Catholics in Poland don’t believe that.
Catholics in Italy wouldn’t dare believe that. But the Catholics
here do. They have a lot of Protestant principles. They don’t
really comprehend this whole idea of universal, world-wide temporal
power of the Pope. They think it’s just a religion.
But, if those Catholics in New York, if
those two million Roman Catholics knew that Spellman was behind it,
and O’Connor has covered it up, we’d have a revolution! Because
it’s the Roman Catholics, unfortunately, who only do anything
about things. The Protestants don’t do anything. They’re all a
bunch of wimps, a bunch of cowards. They don’t do anything.
It’s the Roman Catholics who apparently
have built our major cities. They built our skyscrapers. They’re
the great steel workers. They’re the ones, apparently, with the
guts enough to bring about a change. The only problem is, they’re
unGodly because they don’t know the Lord. They don’t read the Bible.
They don’t know Christ. They’re not born-again. If they would
get born-again, and come to know Christ, with their determination
and their resistance to tyranny, we’d have another Reformation.
And a lot of people’s heads would be going on trial, and to the
block, for treason.
Martin: I’m going to go back, now.
How did the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion,
authored, according to you, by the Jesuits, further the Jesuit
Phelps: Ok. To anwer that, we
probably ought to look at the different Protocols. Now, to my
mind, I believe there’s 20 or 30 Protocols; I can’t quite
remember. But the Protocols further the agenda of the Jesuit
Order in that Russia would be taken and, in the fall of Russia, in
the Bolshevik Revolution, two major things would happen: The
Romanoff dynasty would be removed. Now, of course, the Czar was not
killed at Ekaterinburg;we know that from the book The
File On The Czar. We know that his daughter died in the state of
Virginia [not very long ago]. We know his son, Alexi,became
a member of the KGB, later came to New York, and he put out what was
called The White Paper. The Royal Family was not killed,
because they were Knights of Malta.
So, the Knights of Malta took the Royal
Family out, faked their death, and then after they had taken the
Romanoffs out, the Orthodox Church no longer had a protector,
because Church and State are one in Russia.
Now the Jesuits were free, with their
Bolsheviks, to kill-off the Orthodox leadership that was anti-Rome.
That’s why they killed 5,000 priests and nuns, during the
revolution, of the Orthodox Church. They just beheaded all the
anti-Catholic, anti-Pope leadership of the Orthodox Church.
They got rid of the Romanoffs, and then the
next thing they did, they began to purge Russia of its Protestants,
in general. They purged it of its Lutherans; they burned down the
Lutheran Church; imprisoned the Baptists; sent them off to Siberia.
They even destroyed two Jewish communities during the ’20s, which
we’re not told.
The Jews fared well for 10 years, until the
purges of Stalin in the ’30s. But the Jesuits accomplished the
killing-off, the getting rid of the Romanoff dynasty and their
protectorate of the Orthodox Church, the beheading of the Orothodox
Church, so they could bring Orthodox Moscow back to Rome. And
remember, Moscow is considered the "Third Rome". The first
is Rome; the second is Constantinople; the third is Moscow. And you
can find this, you can find the Jesuit alliance with the Bolsheviks
in a book called Descent Into Darkness by a priest named
Zatko, who taught at Notre Dame University in the ’60s.
And so the Jesuits were given formal
re-entry into Russia in 1922, after the Bolshevik Revolution and
Civil War, and from then on—the Russian College was erected in
Rome in 1929, so they could prepare Russian Jesuits to rule Russia.
And that’s what they’ve done, and they’ve ruled through the
KGB, just like they rule this country through the CIA and the FBI.
The Protocols outline this.
Remember, the Protocols were discovered in Russia, and
translated by an Englishman, Marsden. But what it also did—because
then they set-up the huge gulag system, the huge concentration camp
system, that gave the Jesuits practice to do this in Europe.
But their great accomplishment was, in the
process of pulling all of this off, they blamed it on the Jews, and
in so doing, justified in the eyes of the European people the
annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe—because it’s the Jews
who did this in Russia! The Jews killed all the Christians in
Russia! The Jews sent them off to Siberia! After all, wasn’t
Trotsky a Jew? Wasn’t Lenin a Jew? It’s all the Jews! So, they
fell for the bait.
So they blamed it all on the Jews, purged
Europe of its Jews, so Europe is primarily Roman Catholic now.
It’s a Roman Catholic block, and it will be the army of the
Anti-Christ, with its European Union.
The Jews, then, were forced out of the
nations to Israel. And remember, during World War II, when the Jews
tried to escape and they were desperate to get out of Germany, do
you think Jew-controlled Russia would let the Jews in? If the Jews
really controlled Russia, they could have gone right into Russia.
They were not allowed. Stalin would not allow any Jews to go into
Russia. Churchill would not allow any Jews to go into England. And
that criminal, FDR, would not allow any Jews to come into America.
They were not allowed to escape.
They were either to be killed or funneled
down through Israel, to be killed by the Mufti, that was working
with the SS, Eichmann. Loftusis right. There is a
secret war against the Jews, and all of the intelligence communities
are waging it.
And the Jews don’t perceive it because
their Rabbis, the majority of their Rabbis, are traitors. I talked
to a Rabbi in Lancaster County and I told him to look out for the
Jesuit Order. He says "Oh, they’re some of my best
friends!" Well, that explains it. The Rabbis betray their own
people at the hand of these inquisitors. And that’s what they did
in World War II, and they’re going to do it here.
Martin: Let’s talk about Garfield
and McKinley. Why were they assassinated?
Phelps: I think Garfield was
assassinated on a monetary issue; he was resisting the banking plans
of the Jesuits. He was a radical, red Republican, too, you know, so
they got rid of their own. I’m not familiar with all of the
details. All I know is Burke McCarty in the book The Suppressed
Truth About The Assassination Of Lincoln named McKinley and
Garfield as other victims of the Jesuit Order. And had the Lincoln
assassination been solved, that would never have happened. The other
important issue is that Garfield was a Freemason. So, they
assassinate their own Freemasons, when they want to.
Martin: Going back to Lincoln, who
was John Surratt?
Phelps: John Surratt was the young
man, 20 years old, who called time outside of Ford’s Theater. He
was mastermind of the assassination. John Surratt was helped by the
priests of Washington to escape Washington, went up into Canada, was
taken care of and housed by the priests, by the Bishop of Montreal,
and then he was ferried across the ocean in The Peruvian, in a
steamer called The Peruvian, and he went to, I believe,
Ireland, then into England, then he went to Rome, to the Pope’s
Vatican there. He joined the Zouavearmy,and
he was stationed in Alexandria, Egypt, until he was found and
In 1867, he was brought back and stood
trial in Washington. There a woman was involved in the picking of
the jury, and a High Roman Catholic was put on it. And because
it’s no murder to kill a heretic, the jury was hung in the first
trial and Surratt went free. And he was also free in the second
trial, because there were two trials. He died in 1914, I believe, at
the age of 72, and they gave him, of course, a very, very, pompous
funeral, a High Requiem Mass that are usually only given for priests
and nuns. Evidently, he deserved it.
Of course, John WilkesBooth,
he was never killed. Corbett never killed Booth in the barn. Booth
escaped Washington with a password, according to Finis Bates’ work
The Escape And Suicide Of John Wilkes Booth. He escaped to
Kansas, and on his death bed confessed to his physician that he was
John Wilkes Booth who shot Lincoln. And he escaped with the help of
a Masonic password. So just like there was a patsy for the Lincoln
assassination, there was a patsy for the Kennedy assassination.
Martin: Why is April 15th so
Phelps: (laughter) Well,
April 15 was the day that Lincoln called out troops on the South. It
was the day that Lincoln died. He was shot on the 14th and died on
the 15th. It’s the day that the Titanic was sunk. And it’s the
day all the 14th Amendment citizens of this empire,
like the good serfs that they are, go to confession once a year and
confess to the government with their tax returns. Beware the Ides of
Martin: Let’s talk about the Cold
War. Why did that come about?
Phelps: We had the end of World War
II. We had the purging of the Jews and the Protestants, for the most
part. The British Empire was destroyed, it’s wrecked, which was
essentially the empire that the Gospel went to China with. Modern
missions were founded on the British Empire.
So, that Protestant Empire, even though it
was controlled by Rome, was done. We have America in huge financial
debt, out of isolationism. We have a Russia that’s taken over by
the Jesuits, through Joseph Stalin. Of course, the great beneficiary
of World War II was Russia—Russia was the only country that won.
But the Jesuits are not finished with their purgings and their
installings of dictators loyal to the Pope, around the world. I
mean, they pretty much have South America. They pretty much have
Africa. But they don’t have the East, and the Orthodox nations,
and the Buddhist nations.
So, the purpose of the Cold War was to kill
millions of these heretic, orthodox Buddhists, and to install in
their country dictators that will carry out the Inquisition, who are
loyal to the Pope.
One of those dictators was Joseph Stalin.
And he was given the nuclear device in 1943 by the U.S. government,
by the U.S. army. And you can find that in The Unseen Hand by
Ralph Epperson. He did a lot of good documentation.
So, they gave him the bomb. I shouldn’t
call it "the bomb" because they gave him the nuclear
device so that he could detonate it and create the illusion that
Russia now has nuclear capability, when a wheel-barrow was a great
invention in Russia.
I mean, the Russian soldiers, when they
went into Germany and they found toilets, they were dipping their
bread in the toilets and eating their bread out of toilets. In
Russia they were just savages. They didn’t have technology; they
had nothing. All the technology they ever got was given by
Vatican-controlled Western corporations, whose inventors were
So, the Cold War has to continue under
Stalin. And we have to divide up the world into two factions, so
we’re going to put Roman Catholic NATO on one side, and we’re
going to put Communist-controlled Warsaw Pact on the other.
But in the process of so doing, they put
Protestant East Germany under Communism to purge the Protestants of
East Germany out of the country. That’s why they sent them to
Siberia. They put Protestant-Lutheran Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia
under Communism, so they deported them all to Siberia. They put the
Mennonites of Russia further under Communism, deporting them to
Siberia. They deported the Baptists of Russia to Siberia, because
they could only do—wimpy, gimpy, powerless, Russian army that it
was—we could easily have beat it into the ground, if it had not
been financed and supported and built by Henry Ford and Western
So, wimpy, gimpy Russia has this nuclear
device, right? And oh, if we decide to go to war with Russia, well,
we might get bombed! There’s mutual, assured destruction. So to
keep that from happening, we won’t fight ’em, and we’ll let
them purge the world of all its Protestants. That’s the purpose of
the Cold War.
The Cold War then went into China, and the
U.S. 7th Fleet, according to the Birch Society, and they’re right
about this, blocked Chiang Kai-Shek from being able to go into China
and take over the country. So, Mao Se-Dung could get in control, get
in power, and then carry out his inquisition against the land
owners, against the Buddhists, against all the Protestant
missionaries who were in China—just like the good Jesuit pawn that
And, of course, the intimidation idea was
that you can’t go to China—why, there’s millions of people
there! Meanwhile, the Japanese whipped the Chinese to death in their
war with China, when the Japanese went in. The Chinese had no
technology. They had no organized army. They were easy to beat.
But the idea we were sold was: Oh
no—China is a great, powerful nation, and now they even have the
bomb! Stalin gave them a bomb, so we can’t fight them anymore. So
we won’t do anything to them, while they’re murdering 50 million
people. And remember the "baby-boomers" of the United
States, we would have fought the world. We would have rid the world
of tyranny, had we had leadership that would have led us to that.
But we had this farce, called the nuclear, mutual assured
destruction. We had this farce called the dropping of the bombs at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Whatever it was, it wasn’t dropping
nuclear bombs—and Edwin Corley does a pretty good job in his The
Jesus Factor, in trying to tell you what else it was.
And so, we have this nonsense Cold War,
which enables Rome to put up all their dictators, their Communist
dictators, all of them loyal to the Pope—including Ho Chi Minh. Ho
Chi Minh had a secret deal with Pope John XXIII, and he was under
the advice of a Roman Catholic Bishop all throughout the war.
The purpose of the Cold War was to carry
out the Council of Trent, and to tie the hands of the American
Protestants; and it was also used to unite the Protestants and
Catholics of America against Communism. Protestants and Catholics
should unite on nothing. We are different. The Catholics have a
final authority—that’s the Pope. The Baptists and Protestants
should have a final authority—that’s the Bible. We
don’t unite on anything. We don’t agree on anything. We don’t
agree on America’s national purpose, so we don’t unite. We’re
not uniting with abortion; we’re not uniting with Communism; we
don’t unite against the Black or the Civil Rights Movement.
You see, all these things were used to
unite Catholics and Protestants together here, so that, ultimately,
Rome would be in control of all the Protestant denominations through
the National Council of Churches and the Royal Council of Churches.
And that’s what they got. They took Princeton; they took Dartmouth
College. All the great Protestant Universities are now in the hands
of the Masons and the Jesuits. Harvard has a Jesuit House. They’re
controlled. And so, wherever they control education, they control
the politics. And they control the education in China, Russia, all
the Communist countries. Now that they have all of the dictators
installed all throughout the world, they don’t need the Cold War
anymore. So now they can proceed with their next agenda, and
that’s the unification of Europe, the building up of Russia, and
the destruction of the Western Empire. And that’s their next
Martin: How do you see that
Phelps: What’s that?
Martin: The destruction of the
Phelps: As far as the actions of
overthrowing the government and having a tyranny, is that what you
Martin: Right. What do you see life
like here in the next 5 or 10 years?
Phelps: It’s hard to put a date on
it; it’s hard to put a year on it. But I would say it’s going to
continually become more and more a matter of "central
power" in Washington. You’re going to have less and less
power in the Congress. And one of these days, the Congress is going
to be closed. And all we’re going to have is a Commander-in-Chief.
We’re going to have some form of absolutism, with the President
becoming now a dictator.
Martin: Do you think George Bush,
Jr. will be that person?
Phelps: He could be. I won’t say
he will be, but he could be. It will be someone like him—with
complete allegiance to Rome, just like his father. His grandfather
helped set up the CFR. His uncle is a Knight of Malta. It will be
someone like him.
And he WILL be the next President.
They’ve already chosen him in the College of Cardinals. Everything
else is a show. Jesuit-trained Buchanan is a show. Roman Catholic
McCain is a show. The Black Roman Catholic Keyes is a show, although
he tickles me. He advocates abolition of the 14th Amendment.
If that happens, what are the Black people going to do? They’re
not citizens; they have no rights! Dred Scott comes into play.
He’s a fake.
So, what I see is more and more
centralization of power in the hands of the President. The Supreme
Court is just a rubber stamp. He becomes the king. The courts are
nothing more than the courts of the king’s bench. The Federal
Reserve Bank will remain in power. Everything will be monitored and
controlled by Washington, unless some of God’s men start trusting
God and get in control of the state and cause it to secede. The only
answer to this is state secession,leaving this
Union—it’s not a Union, it’s an Empire—leaving the Empire
that began in 1868, assuming national sovereignty, once again. And
the first state that would do this, I’m moving there. Because I
don’t want to see the FBI anymore. I don’t want to see the CIA.
I don’t want to see any of these national bureaucracies anymore.
Martin: Montana seems close. Arizona seems close.
Phelps: Well, when they do it, I’ll move there. But that’s what would happen if things continue as they are. We’ll have race war. We’re going to have the Moslems fighting the Klu Klux Klan. Whites siding with the Whites; the Blacks siding with the Blacks. It’s going to be a blood-bath everywhere. And that will justify Martial Law, and the military, and
the whole nine yards, and also foreign occupation; we’re going to
have that too. And you know how foreigners are in a foreign country.
They rape the women. They couldn’t care less about the social strata of the country. They have no mercy on the people. They have a foreign tongue. And that’s what they’ll do. And that’s all the more reason for a state to secede.
(AOP Footnote) examples of state secession
I’ve advocated that Pennsylvania should secede for the last 15 years. We have our own deep-water ports; we have our own agriculture; we have our own heavy industry; we have coal; we have everything we need to be a sovereign nation. We don’t need this Empire anymore. The only problem is, Pennsylvania
is COMPLETELY controlled by the Jesuits.
Every major city is under their control. And so, the place is slated for destruction—all the Mennonite and Amish counties of Southeastern Pennsylvania. Everything else is
Catholic: Pittsburgh, Scranton, Philadelphia, Harrisburg—all Roman
Catholic. The Roman Catholic people, too, will also be sacrificed.
They will be killed too. Let them not think that they’re going to
be delivered because the Jesuits run the show. According to the
Jesuit Molina, in the tape I just sent you, it is lawful to
kill—and they will kill as many Roman Catholics as necessary to
bring this plan to fruition.
Martin: Define the Jesuit term:
Phelps:Define it? That means
worldwide, universal, over every nation, absolute power. Absolutism
is their great doctrine, that absolute power resides in the hands of
the General. He is limited by no constitution. He is limited by no
This is the Great Doctrine of Divine
Right, the Divine Right of Kings that was so fought against by the
Calvinists. We Bible-believing Calvinists believe in the Rule
of Law. The Law is king. Rutherford’s "Lex Rex". The
Jesuits believe the king is the law—Louis XIV: "I am the
law". So, it’s going to be a universal, world-wide king who,
himself, is the law. All authority will be in him, as he rules the
world from Jerusalem, as the Beast.
Martin: Are we talking about the
present Pope, or are we talking about Count von Kolvenbach?
Phelps: I’m saying that what’s
in position now will ultimately bring in the future Pope, whoever he
is, and whatever it may be, as a Universal Absolutist—the
Universal Monarch of the World, in Jerusalem.
Martin: Symbolic? Or you’re saying
Phelps: I’m saying that will
literally happen. There will be a Pope, who will be killed; he will
receive a mortal wound. And this is going to happen in the 70th week
of Daniel. He will receive a mortal wound, according to Revelation
This is the Beast, and he will come back to
life. He comes back to life, mid-trip, at the very time that Satan
and his angels are cast out of Heaven by Michael and his angels. At
this time, Satan goes and he indwells the Beast, this Pope. Now he
comes back to life, just like Christ. He was dead; now he’s
And what is he going to do? He’s going to
destroy the Catholic Church. He’s going to destroy the Vatican;
and he’s going to go down in Jerusalem and demand to be worshipped
as God, for three and a half years.
That’s why the Vatican is indestructible.
No one can destroy the Vatican. All the armies in the world
couldn’t destroy it. It has been determined that it will be
destroyed by the Anti-Christ. And he, alone, can do it.
That’s why, when the Yugoslavians wanted
to mount an air attack against the Vatican in World War II, a bunch
of clouds came over the airport and they couldn’t take off,
because they were going to bomb the Vatican. The world will not
allow that to happen. The Vatican will only be destroyed by the man
of sin, the Beast, the coming Universal Monarch, the ex-Universal
The Vatican has the most extensive library
in the world, the most priceless and extensive library. It goes for
miles, underground, in the Vatican.
Martin: Wouldn’t you love to go in
Phelps: I would love to. Talk about
finding sunken treasure.
Martin: We’ve almost covered it. I
almost don’t want to dilute this conversation with the FDA and
AMA. Let’s talk about them just briefly.
Phelps: Ok. World War II, produced
of course by Rome, caused the Nazi experiments on the people in the
concentration camps—the Jews, the Gypsies, the Socialists,
primarily the Jews. But they experimented with things like fluoride.
They experimented with things like EDTA chelation, which is THE
treatment of choice for anybody with heart disease. They
experimented with poisons. They experimented with surgeries. They
experimented with all kinds of things on these people. They also
experimented with vaccinations and immunizations.
There’s a book called The Nazi Doctors.
Everything that was learned by them was integrated into the American
Medical Association, after the war. That’s why we all have our
municipal water supplies fluoridated. That’s why they’re all
chlorinated, because chlorine decreases oxygen, and therefore causes
cancer, because cancer grows in an anaerobic state—it’s a virus,
converting cells into mutants that are anaerobic.
Ok. All of Europe is using ozone to clean
their water supplies. Here they use chlorine. They want us with
cancer. And how do we get cancer? With the vaccinations and
immunizations, where they inject us with live viruses, like the
hepatitis vaccine—every one of them has the HIV virus, SV-40.
What they’re doing is what they learned
in Nazi Germany. They implemented here and they continue their
research in the CIA. There’s a two-tape set called The CIA And
The Virus Makers which show how the CIA helped to create the HIV
virus and various other viruses. They get into Robert Gallo, the
world’s foremost virologist.
Robert Gallo is a Jesuit. He’s a Roman
Catholic, Italian, the world’s foremost virologist—and yet not
controlled by the Brotherhood, by the Company? Ridiculous. He’s
under their control! He’s doing all the research, and he doesn’t
want to be blamed for it—as the WONDERFUL Jew, Len Horowitz,
proved. Again, we’ve got Jews getting in the way—Jews blowing
Martin: I’ve interviewed Len many
times. He’s a very courageous guy.
Phelps: Great guy. And he’s right
on target. And he hits the Knights of Malta in his book Emerging
Viruses: AIDS & Ebola. He was a great encouragement to me
when I saw him do that, when I read his book.
So, hey, let’s just take it the whole
way. Let’s just go right to the Jesuit Order. And what the Jesuits
did with the Cold War, with their Inquisition in the East, they
carry out with their war on the American people in the West, with
their Medical Inquisition—cut, burn, and drug. And that’s what
Personally, I have my own home where I use
ozone oxygen. I use ultraviolet blood irradiation. I can show you
how ultraviolet blood irradiation incapacitates Lupus. It destroys
Hepatitis. It destroys Meningitis. It destroys HIV.
This is a very simple procedure; I do it
every day. It can easily be done by any medical doctor, and they
won’t do it. Because, when you kill off the virus, you don’t
have the diseases. You are thwarting what they wanted to do with
their vaccinations and immunizations.
That’s why they want to make a law.
That’s why that filthy Ted Kennedy, that Knight of Columbus, wants
all these vaccinations and immunizations—when it should be a
religious tenet of everyone: "It’s against my religious
convictions to put foreign pathogens into my bloodstream. It’s
going to make me sick by the time I’m 40. It’s going to give me
plaque build-up and heart-disease. I’m not going to do it."
In the meantime, they’re suppressing all
the things that reverse it: soft lasers, hyperbaric chambers,
ultraviolet blood irradiation, oxygen ozone, north-pole magnetic
therapy. All the things working together that would easily reverse
it, they suppress, and consider it a crime. Make sense?
Martin: Rife technology.
Phelps: When I was in the office of
my friend, William, in Maryland, he told me that he had a guy from
NSA [National Security Agency] come in and talk to him about
his blood irradiation, and told him: "I think that it would be
wise for you to stop this."
Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in
Maryland is an ex-Navy Seal. He’s no pushover. So he says to the
NSA guy: "Well, why do you say that?"
And the NSA guy said: "You know how
Royal Rife died? We put poison on his tooth-brush."
This guy was from NSA. So, that was a
threat. Well, now, some people get scared, and some people get
upset, angry. William is one of those guy who gets upset and angry,
and it furthers him that much harder.
So, mysteriously, the head of the
Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months
ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the
foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital—and
he will, I’m sure, very shortly, and it’s going to be
untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and
UVA to do the blood, and we’re going to kill-off all the viruses
in the bloodstream. And we’re going to teach the medical doctors
how to do it. We’ll provide the machines for them. And we’re
going to end this tyranny. And we’ll also educate them—no more
vaccinations and immunizations.
There are only two things I’m a member of
in this country: one is the national anti-vaccine society, and the
other is Gun Owner’s of America. Those are the only two
organizations that are really worth supporting. If you get the
vaccinations away from the people, they’re not going to be sick.
And if you maintain guns in the hands of the people, they can still
use them against the tyrants. And if they go to church and read the Bible,
they’ll have all the spiritual zest and zeal to do it.
Martin: We haven’t even talked
about Nikola Tesla in this conversation.
Phelps: Yeah. He was deliberately
thwarted by the FBI, all his papers stolen in 1943. J.P. Morgan
destroyed him. J.P. Morgan was one of the kingpins in the Titanic
Nikola Tesla was a wonderful man. He came
here for freedom. He was a Serbian Orthodox—a curse to Rome. The
father of A.C. current. He developed a whole system of Universal
Power, that we would need no coal or any of that. So, one of my
other goals is to perfect the electromagnetic motor. When my book
gets out, then I will be working with some men in perfecting
electromagnetic motors, and they will be out, without a patent,
Martin: We’re just about there.
Let’s talk about Bill Clinton. How do you see Bill Clinton in
relationship to the Jesuits? And how do you see Al Gore? What can
our readers glean from what you’re saying about their power base?
Phelps: Well, we must remember:
where did Bill Clinton come from? How did he become Governor? His
father was a powerful political figure, because his mother was
nothing. So, he came from nothing to being something, through some
powerful political figure, probably the Kennedys.
It’s rumored that John Kennedy was his
father; could be. In any event, Clinton was trained by the Jesuits
of Georgetown. He was the class president of his junior year, I
believe. His senior year, he was not re-elected because the student
body said he was "too close to the Jesuit faculty".
So, he was groomed by the Jesuits to be a
powerful political leader. He was put in place in Arkansas, runs
that scam there, while he’s Governor, in the drug trade, belonging
to Rome, working with Reagan in the drug trade, and Bush. Then
he’s made President.
Remember the picture of him at Georgetown,
kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy? That says it all. He is the
complete and total pawn of the Jesuit Order ruling from Georgetown
University. He does anything they want him to do. He hasn’t
resisted a thing.
That’s why he’s untouchable. He can
commit any crime. He can do any act of evil, and never be
prosecuted, because they’ll call on traitors like Arlen Spector to
vindicate him. And, of course, Arlen Spector was Spelly’s Jew in
the Kennedy assassination—evil, wicked, lifetime Senator from
Pennsylvania, which shows me that there are no elections anymore.
Nobody voted for Arlen Spector who I know. He’s a gun-grabber. So,
they made him a life-time Senator. They made Teddy Kennedy a
Bill Clinton is completely at their beck
and call. He will get out of office. He will live happily ever
after, unless he starts talking. If he starts talking, he’s done.
He is NOT a Baptist. He is loyal to the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Ok, let’s talk about God
and His Agenda.
Phelps: As I understand the Bible,
I believe we are in what’s called the Dispensation of Grace. I’m
a dispensationalist. Now, there are those who say that
dispensationalism was a brain-child of the Jesuits. Could be, could
be Jesuits were involved with that. But I believe the Bible
teaches this, because God deals with men in different ways, at
He commands Abraham to sacrifice a lamb,
but not me. We don’t do that now. He commands Noah to build
an ark. We don’t do that now. He commands Moses to receive the Law
of Sinai. We’re not under the Law; it’s for the Nation of
Israel. He commanded his son toannounce that the Davidic
kingdom was ready to be established on Earth—repent, for the
Kingdom is at hand. The Kingdom, promised to David, is about to be
established, and that’s why they called him Son of David.
And now we live in the Dispensation of
Grace, called the present Evil Age, of Galations, Chapter 1:4, and
the Dispensation of Grace of Ephesians, Chapter 3. During
this particular period of time, this stewardship, the Gospel says
that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of our world; he was
buried and rose again.
And God commands all men, everywhere, to
repent and believe on His name that they might be saved. But there
is no other name under Heaven whereby we must be saved, save the
name of Jesus. During this time, this good news of forgiveness of
sin and free pardon, and we can be with the Lord for eternity, is
going to every nation, Jews and Gentile. And during this
Dispensation of Grace, Jews and Gentiles are regarded as one, in the
body of Christ, when they’re saved.
Now, according to Romans, Chapter 11,
there is what is called the "fullness of the Gentiles".
There is a fullness that is a predetermined amount of people who are
going to be saved. We call them "the elect". We call
ourselves the elect of the Lord.
Now when that elect, that predetermined
number, is saved, then God will begin to deal with the nations and
Israel, once again. And that will begin, according to Daniel,
Chapter 9, when the Prince shall come, shall confirm a covenant
with many for one week. That is the 70th week of Daniel. The
first 69 weeks have been fulfilled, from the decree, to rebuilding
Jerusalem, to Messiah the Prince, the day Christ declared himself
the Messiah of Israel, was 69 weeks of years. After that the Messiah
would be cut-off, and Jerusalem would be destroyed. That is the gap
between the 69th and the 70th week. The temple is not destroyed; the
city is not destroyed; the Messiah is not cut-off, during the 69th
or the 70th week. There’s a gap between those two weeks, and that
gap has gone to nearly 2,000 years. In the year 2032, it will be
2,000 years. Because Christ was crucified in 32 A.D.
Ok, during this dispensation, God is saving
Jews and Gentiles out of all nations and placing them in the body of
Christ, by the power of His Holy Spirit, as the Gospels preached.
When the predetermined number comes to fruition, then the Lord will
take out his Bible-believing church, and everybody else is
left to go through what is called "the time of Jacob’s
trouble", in the Book of Jeremiah, or the Great Day of
the Lord—the 7-year tribulation, talked about in the Book of
Revelation, Chapter 4-19.
That 7-year tribulation will be when the
Lord begins to judge this world for its rejection of the Messiah,
and for their sins, having not been taken care of, not having been
saved; although there will be many people saved during this time.
The Jews will be tremendously persecuted.
The vast majority of them will be murdered, and there will be a
remnant who will repent at the end of the Tribulation, at which time
the Messiah will come and they will look upon him, whom they
pierced, and weep because they will realize that the one who is
going to save them from all these Gentile armies pouring into
Israel, is the very one they crucified.
When the Lord Jesus destroys all the
Gentile armies, he will then set up the Davidic Kingdom that he came
to set up—the born-again nation of Israel.
Can a nation be born in a day? Isaiah,
Chapter 66—they will be born-again, they will inherit all the
promises, and Christ will sit down in the Kingdom with Abraham, and
Isaac, and Jacob, just like he talked about, and he will eat the
fruit of vine again. Because he said: "I will not eat this
henceforth, til ye say, ‘Blessed is he that come in the name of
the Lord’ until I eat it anew with you in the Kingdom." Then
he will drink wine; he will eat the fruit of the vine; he will break
bread; and he will be Messiah, King of the World at that time,
ruling the world from Jerusalem.
So, what we have coming is more unbelief,
more persecution, less faith, less manhood, less guts, and we have
more persecution from the Jesuit Order, more monetary control. We
have another scenario of the World Government, under the Pope from
Jerusalem, and that’s what the Jesuits want. And, ultimately, God
in His providence, has allowed for 42 months for that to happen:
So that’s what I see coming. But what I
believe is, I don’t believe that the doctrine of the coming
Anti-Christ should be used as fatalism—that we should: "Well,
that’s coming, so we can’t do anything about it. The bastards
are coming to take us out."
That’s an excuse to cowardice. We need to
do our duty. We need to resist evil in ourselves and around us, and
as long as we have breath. And part of resisting that evil is
resisting the Jesuit Order. It’s resisting anti-Christian tyranny.
It’s resisting absolutism. It’s resisting criminals who are in
We have a civil responsibility, and
that’s to make sure government punishes evil and rewards good. And
when it doesn’t punish evil anymore, it’s no government. We
don’t know allegiance to it anymore. We withdraw our allegiance,
and we assume our own sovereign power.
And that’s exactly what the Covenanters
did with Scotland when they withdrew their allegiance from, what was
it, King James II, or Charles II; they withdrew their allegiance and
the English settled there and, ultimately, many of those Covenanters
were killed. But in the glorious Revolution of 1688, they got
Another thing is, all these men—they want
to win right now. They want to do something and experience the win.
We have no guarantee of that. Why not just say the way it is, resist
the tyranny, and if we get killed in the process, then praise
God—I mean, isn’t Heaven a little better than this place?
What’s the big fear? All these men do not know the Lord, as far as
trusting Him in the midst of a storm. They’re full of fear;
they’re full of terror; and they’re all afraid to die.
So, hopefully, with the true preaching of
the Gospel—and ultimately there will be some preachers who will
arise who will encourage us to do right and not fear death, and to
resist these powers of evil—hopefully that will begin to change
and there will be men who will call for secession, and states will
begin to leave this Union, like Chechnya, and these others, and then
the Lord will intervene for us.
If we honor Him, He’ll honor us. If we
fight for His causes, He’ll bless us. And we need to stop looking
at the odds. We’ve always been outnumbered. We’ve always been
outgunned. And that’s the way God likes it, because then, when we
win, obviously He did it.
So that’s what I see for the future, and
I see there’s a great vacuum right now that needs to be filled.
And it can be filled with the men of God telling the truth, or it
can be filled with Jesuits advocating everybody give-up, lay down
their guns, and submit to this New World Order, under the Pope.
The question is: What are YOU, dear reader,
going to do?
Editor’s note: Eric Jon Phelps’ book
Vatican Assassins will likely be available through Wisdom
Books & Press (see Back Page) after August 1. We will provide
specific information about cost, etc., in an upcoming issue of The
SPECTRUM when it is closer to the date of availability.
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Please note that Rick Martin’s new
email address is email@example.com for any comments you
may wish to direct his way.
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The following are direct excerpts from
the forthcoming book by Eric Jon Phelps called Vatican Assassins.
The Jesuits – 1540
Their Purpose And Oath
The purpose of the Jesuit Order, formally
established by the Pope in 1540, is to destroy the Protestant
Reformation. They call it the Counter-Reformation. Nicolini of Rome
"The Jesuits, by their very calling,
by the very essence of their institution, are bound to seek, by
every means, right or wrong, the destruction of Protestantism. This
is the condition of their existence, the duty they must fulfill, or
cease to be Jesuits." [Footprints of the Jesuits, R. W.
Extract from Jesuit’s Oath
To this end the professed Jesuits have
obligated themselves with an oath, part of which was published in
1899, and reads:
"I do now renounce and disown my
allegiance as due to any heretical King, Prince or State, named
Protestant, or liberals, or obedience to any of their laws or
magistrates or officers.
"I do further declare that the
doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists,
Huguenots, and other of the name Protestant or Liberals, to be
damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the
"I do further declare that I will
help, assist and advise all or any of His Holiness’ agents, in any
place where I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom
or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the
heretical Protestant or liberal doctrines, and to destroy all their
pretended powers, legal or otherwise." [Errors of the Roman
Catholic Church, 15 Contributors, 1894]
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In 1981, one of our heroes, Alberto Rivera,
disclosed the oath he took as a professed Jesuit. We read:
Ceremony Of Induction And
Extreme Oath Of The Jesuits
(Given to a Jesuit of minor rank when he
is to be elevated to a position of command.)
"My son, heretofore you have been
taught to act the dissembler among the Roman Catholics to be a Roman
Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren: to believe
no man, to trust no man. Among the reformers, to be a reformer;
among the Huguenots (French Protestants) to be a Huguenot: among the
Calvinists, to be a Calvinist: among the Protestants (those who
protest and disagree with the Roman Catholic institution), generally
to be a Protestant: and obtaining their confidence to seek even to
preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence
(violent emotion) in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and
even to descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you
might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit
of your order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.
"You have been taught to insidiously
plant the seeds of jealously and hatred between states that were at
peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with
each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in communities,
provinces and countries that were independent and prosperous,
cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of
"To take sides with the combatants and
to act secretly in concert with your brother Jesuit who might be
engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you
might be connected;
"Only that the church might be the
gainer in the end in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace,
and that the ends justify the means.
"You have been taught your duty as a
spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power
from every source: to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the
family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and
character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer,
among the schools and universities, in parliament and legislatures,
and in the judiciaries and councils of State, and to ‘be all
things to all men’, for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are
"You have received all your
instructions heretofore as a novice (one who has no training), a
neophyte (a newly ordained priest), and have served as a coadjutor
(worked as a helper), confessor and priest, but you have not yet
been invested with all that is necessary to command in the army of
Loyola and in the service of the Pope.
"You must serve the proper time as the
instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none
can command here who has not consecrated (made secret or holy) his
labors with the blood of the heretic; for ‘without the shedding of
blood no man can be saved.’
"I, _____, now, in the presence of
Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the
Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St.
Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven....
"I, furthermore, promise and declare
that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless
war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and
Liberals, as I am directed to do.
"That when the same cannot be done
openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulation
cord, the steel of the poniard (a dagger) or the leaden bullet,
regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person
or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public
or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent
of the Pope or superior of the brotherhood of the holy faith, of the
Society of Jesus." [Double-Cross: Alberto, Part 2, 1981]
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In addition to the Oath, the Jesuits have a
guidebook entitled Secreta Monita. To the author’s
knowledge it has only been disclosed to the world twice: once in the
1600s and once in the 1800s. Because of the magnitude of its
contents as it relates to our subject, The Secret Instructions Of
The Jesuits (1857) is reprinted in its entirety [in Vatican
[Due to the length of this material, we
here at The SPECTRUM will only present a few excerpts and
chapter headings, but this should be sufficient to give you a pretty
good idea of what is contained within them. For the full
presentation, refer to Vatican Assassins. The portions your
are about to read have not, to our knowledge, been printed in any
What you are about to read, The Secret
Instructions Of The Jesuits, was first published in 1669 by the
venerable and learned Dr. Compton, Bishop of London. In Vatican
Assassins we read:]
His arguments on their authenticity, and
his character as a scholar and divine, are a sufficient guarantee
that he would never have given his name and influence to sustain a
work of dubious authority, or calculated to mislead the public.
We have only to add that the last American
edition, published at Princeton, and this one which we publish, are
taken from the translation which was published in London in 1723,
and dedicated to Sir Robert Walpole, who was afterwards Lord Orford,
and who had the high honor of being prime minister of George I and
THE SECRET INSTRUCTIONS
OF THE JESUITS
Chapter 1: How the Society must behave
themselves when they begin any new foundation.
V. At their first settlement, let our
members be cautious of purchasing lands; but if they happen to buy
such as are well situated, let this be done in the name of some
faithful and trusty friend. And that our poverty may be the more
colorable gloss of reality, let the purchases, adjacent to the
places wherein our colleges are founded, be assigned by the
provincial to colleges at a distance; by which means it will be
impossible that princes and magistrates can ever attain to a certain
knowledge what the revenues of the Society amount to.
VI. Let no places be pitched upon by any of
our members for founding a college but opulent cities; the end of
the Society being the imitation of our blessed Saviour, who made his
principal residence in the metropolis of Judea, and only transiently
visited the less remarkable places.
VII. Let the greatest sums be always
extorted from widows, by frequent remonstrations of our extreme
VIII. In every province, let none but the
principal be fully apprised of the real value of our revenues; and
let what is contained in the treasury of Rome be always kept as an
Chapter II: In what manner the Society
must deport, that they may work themselves into, and after that
preserve a familiarity with princes, noblemen, and persons of
I. Princes, and persons of distinction
every where, must by all means be so managed that we may have their
ear, and that will easily secure their hearts; by which way of
proceeding, all persons will become our creatures, and no one will
dare to give the Society the least disquiet or opposition.
II. That ecclesiastical persons gain a
great footing in the favor of princes and noblemen, by winking at
their vices, and putting a favorable construction on whatever they
do amiss, experience convinces; and this we may observe in their
contracting of marriages with their near relations and kindred, or
the like. It must be our business to encourage such, whose
inclination lies this way, by leading them up in hopes, that through
our assistance they may easily obtain a dispensation from the Pope;
and no doubt he will readily grant it, if proper reason be urged,
paralleled cases produced, and opinions quoted which countenance
such actions, when the common good of mankind, and the greater
advancement of God’s glory, which are the only end and design of
the society, are pretended to be the sole motives to them.
V. Above all, due care must be taken to
curry favor with the minions and domestics of princes and noblemen;
whom by small presents, and many offices of piety, we may so far
byass, (bias) as by means of them to get a faithful intelligence of
the bent of their master’s humors and inclinations; thus will the
Society be better qualified to chime in with their tempers.
VII. Princesses and ladies of quality are
easily to be gained by the influence of the woman of their
bed-chamber; for which reason we must by all means pay particular
address to these, for thereby there will be no secrets in the family
but what we shall have fully disclosed to us.
XV. Finally,—Let all with such artfulness
gain the ascendant over princes, noblemen, and magistrates of every
place, that they may be ready at our beck, even to sacrifice their
nearest relations and most intimate friends, when we say it is for
our interest and advantage.
Chapter III: How the Society must behave
themselves towards those who are at the helm of affairs, and others
who, although they be not rich, are nothwithstanding in a capacity
of being otherwise serviceable.
I. All that has been before mentioned, may,
in a great measure, be applied to these; and we must also be
industrious to procure their favor against every one that oppose us.
II. Their authority and wisdom must be
courted for obtaining several offices to be discharged by us; we
must also make a handle of their advice with respect to the contempt
of riches; though at the same time, if their secrecy and faith may
be depended on, we may privately make use of their names in amassing
temporal goods for the benefit of the Society.
Chapter IV: The chief things to be
recommended to preachers and confessors of noblemen.
VI. Immediately upon the death of any
person of post, let them take timely care to get some friend of our
Society preferred in his room; but this must be cloaked with such
cunning and management as to avoid giving the least suspicion of our
intending to usurp the prince’s authority; for this reason (as has
been already said) we ourselves must not appear in it, but make a
handle of the artifice of some faithful friends for effecting our
designs, whose power may screen them from the envy which might
otherwise fall heavier upon the Society.
Chapter V: What kind of conduct must be
observed towards such religious persons as are employed in the same
ecclesiastical functions with us.
Chapter VI: Of proper methods for
inducing rich widows to be liberal to our Society.
I. For the managing of this affair, let
such members only be chosen as are advanced in age, of a lively
complexion and agreeable conversation; let these frequently visit
such widows, and the minute they begin to show any affection towards
our order, then is the time to lay before them the good works and
merits of the society. If they seem kindly to give ear to this, and
begin to visit our churches, we must by all means take care to
provide them confessors by whom they may be well admonished,
especially to a constant perseverance in their state of widowhood,
and this, by enumerating and praising the advantages and felicity of
a single life: and let them pawn their faiths, and themselves too,
as a security that a firm continuance in such a pious resolution
will infallibly purchase an eternal merit, and prove a most
effectual means of escaping the otherwise certain pains of
IV. Care must be taken to remove such
servants particularly as do not keep a good understanding with the
Society; but let this be done by little and little; and when we have
managed to work them out, let such be recommended as already are, or
willingly would become our creatures; thus shall we dive into every
secret, and have a finger in every affair transacted in the family.
Chapter VII: How such widows are to be
secured, and in what manner their effects are to be disposed of.
I. They are perpetually to be pressed to a
perseverance in their devotion and good works, in such manner, that
no week pass in which they do not, of their own accord, lay somewhat
apart out of their abundance for the honor of Christ, the blessed
Virgin, or their patron saint; and let them dispose of it in relief
of the poor, or in beautifying of churches, till they are entirely
stripped of their superfluous stores and unnecessary riches.
XIII. Let the confessors take diligent care
to prevent such widows as are their penitents, from visiting
ecclesiastics of other orders, or entering into familiarity with
them, under any pretence whatsoever; for which end, let them, at
proper opportunities, cry up the Society as infinitely superior to
all other orders; of the greatest service in the church of God, and
of greater authority with the Pope, and all princes; and that it is
the most perfect in itself, in that it discards all persons
offensive or unqualified, from its community, and therefore is
purified from that scum and dregs with which these monks are
infected, who, generally speaking, are a set of men unlearned,
stupid, and slothful, negligent of their duty, and slaves to their
XIV. Let the confessors propose to them,
and endeavor to persuade them to pay small pensions and
contributions towards the yearly support of colleges and professed
houses, but especially of the professed house at Rome; not let them
forget the ornaments of churches, tapers, wine, and things necessary
in the celebration of the sacrifice of mass.
XV. If any widow does in her life-time make
over her whole estate to the Society; whenever opportunity offers,
but especially when she is seized with sickness, or in danger of
life, let some take care to represent to her the poverty of the
greatest number of our colleges, whereof many just erected have
hardly as yet any foundation; engage her, by a winning behavior and
inducing arguments, to such a liberality as (you must persuade her)
will lay a certain foundation for her eternal happiness.
XVI. The same art must be used with princes
and other benefactors; for they must be wrought up to a belief, that
these are the only acts which will perpetuate their memories in this
world, and secure them eternal glory in the next.
Chapter VIII: How widows are to be
treated, that they may embrace religion, or a devoted life.
Chapter IX: Of increasing the revenues
of our Colleges.
XV. Let the confessors be constant in
visiting the sick, but especially such as are thought to be in
danger; and that the ecclesiastics and members of other orders may
be discarded with a good pretence, let the superiors take care that
when the confessor is obliged to withdraw, others may immediately
succeed, and keep up the sick person in his good resolutions. At
this time it may be advisable to move him by apprehensions of hell,
and at least of purgatory; and tell him, that as fire is quenched by
water, so sin is extinguished by acts of charity; and that alms can
never be better bestowed than for the nourishment and support of
such who by their calling profess a desire to promote the salvation
of their neighbor.
XVI. Lastly, let the women who complain of
the vices of ill-humor of their husbands, be instructed secretly to
withdraw a sum of money, that by making an offering thereof to God,
they may expiate the crimes of their sinful help-mates, and secure a
pardon for them.
Chapter X. Of the private rigor of
discipline in the Society.
Chapter XI. How our members are
unanimously to behave towards those who are expelled from the
I. Since those that are dismissed, do
frequently very much prejudice the Society by divulging such secrets
as they have been privy to; their attempts must therefore be
obviated in the following manner. Let them be prevailed upon, before
they are dismissed, to give it under their hands, and swear that
they never will, directly or indirectly, either write or speak any
thing to the disadvantage of the Order; and let the superiors keep
upon record the evil inclinations, failings and vices, which they,
according to the custom of the Society, for discharge of their
consciences, formerly confessed: this, if ever they give us
occasion, may be produced by the Society, to the nobility and
prelates, as a very good handle to prevent their promotion.
VIII. Let the misfortunes, and unlucky
accidents which happen to them, be immediately published; but with
entreaties for the prayers of good Christians, that the world may
not think we are hurried away by passion: but, among our members,
let these things, by all means, be represented in the blackest
colors, that the rest may be the better secured.
Chapter XII. Who should be kept, and
favored in the Society.
Chapter XIII. How to pick out young men
to be admitted into the Society, and in what manner to retain them.
V. Let them be allured, by little presents,
and indulgence of liberties agreeable to their age; and, above all,
let their affections be warmed with spiritual discourses.
VI. Let it be inculcated, that their being
chosen out of such a number, rather than any of their
fellow-collegiates, is a most pregnant instance of divine
VII. On other occasions, but especially in
exhortations, let them be terrified with denunciations of eternal
punishment, unless they accept of the heavenly invitation.
VIII. The more earnestly they desire
admission into our Society, the longer let the grant of such favor
be deferred, provided at the same time they seem steadfast in their
resolution; but if their minds appear to be wavering, let all proper
methods be used for the immediate firing of them.
Chapter XIV. Of reserved cases, and
causes of dismission from the Society.
Chapter XV. Of our conduct towards nuns
and female devotees.
[It is noted in the pre-publication copy of
Vatican Assassins from which these excerpts are being
extracted that one of the pages is missing from this section of the
Chapter XVII. Of the methods of
advancing the Society.
I. Let our members chiefly endeavor at
this, always to act with humanity, even in things of trifling
moment; or at least to have the outward appearance of doing so; for
by this means, whatever confusions may arise in the world, the
Society of necessity will always increase and maintain its ground.
VII. The favor of the nobility and superior
clergy, once got, our next aim must be to draw all cures and
canonships into our possession, for the more complete reformation of
the clergy, who wheretofore lived under certain regulation of their
bishops, and made considerable advances towards perfection. And
lastly, let us aspire to abbacies and bishoprics, the obtaining
which, when vacancies happen, will very easily be effected,
considering the supineness and stupidity of the monks; for it would
entirely tend to the benefit of the church, that all bishoprics, and
even the apostolical see, should be hooked into our hands,
especially should his holiness ever become a temporal prince over
all. Wherefore, let no methods be untried, with cunning and privacy,
by degrees, to increase the worldly interests of the Society, and
then, no doubt, a golden age will go hand in hand with an universal
and lasting peace, and the divine blessing of consequence attend the
VIII. But if our hopes in this should be
blasted, and since offences of necessity will come, our political
schemes must be cunningly varied, according to the different posture
of the times; and princes, our intimates, whom we can influence to
follow our councils, must be pushed on to embroil themselves in
vigorous wars one with another, to the end, our Society (as
promoters of the universal good of the world,) may on all hands be
solicited to contribute its assistance, and always employed in being
mediators of public dissensions; by this means the chief benefices
and preferments in the church will, of course be given to us by way
of compensation for our services.
IX. Finally, the Society must endeavor to
effect this at least, that having got the favor and authority of
princes, those who do not love them at least fear them.
* * *
The Society of Jesus was thenceforth
recognized as the chief opposing force of Protestantism. The Order
became dominant in determining the plans and policy of the Rowish
Church. The brotherhood grew and flourished. It planted its chapters
first in France, Italy and Spain, and then in all civilized lands.
The success of the Order was phenomenal. It became a power in the
world. It sent out its representatives to every quarter of the
globe. Its solitary apostles were seen shadowing the thrones of
Europe. They sought, by every means known to human ingenuity, to
establish and confirm the tottering fabric of Rome, and to undermine
the rising fabric of Protestantism. They penetrated to the Indus and
the Ganges. They traversed the deserts of Thibet, and said,
"Here am I," in the streets of Peking. They looked down
into the silver mines of Peru, and knelt in prayer on the shores of
Lake Superior. To know all secrets, fathom all design, penetrate all
intrigues, prevail in all counsels, rise above all diplomacy, and
master the human race, — such was their purpose and ambition. They
wound about human society in every part of the habitable earth, the
noiseless creepers of their ever-growing plot to retake the world
for the Church, and to subdue and conquer and extinguish the last
remnant of opposition to her dominion from shore to shore, from the
rivers to the ends of the earth." [Ridpath’s Universal
History, John Clarke Ridpath, 1899]
* * *
The Jesuits are the true authors of
socialist-communism. The economic system of the Dark Ages was
feudalism consisting of the few rich landowners and the many poor
peasants. It was a sin to make a profit by anyone other than the
feudal lords. Thus, if the world is to be returned to the Dark Ages,
the Protestant middle class must be destroyed. Socialist-communism
accomplishes this, having yielded its bitter fruit in both Great
Britain and the United States. The great deception is that the Jews
are the authors of communism. (After all, is not Zionism Jewish
communism?) The facts are that the Jesuits used their Masonic Jews
to introduce it in 1848 and again in 1917 with the Bolshevik
The Jesuits then moved their Shriner
Freemason FDR to recognize Russia’s bloody government in 1933. The
Jesuits then financed Russian communism with their Knights of Malta
on Wall Street. This enabled Joseph Stalin to carry out the purges
of the Thirties.
Having deceived the world into believing
communism was of Jewish origin, the Jesuits then used Hitler to
implement "the Final Solution to the Jewish
Question"—pursuant to the evil Council of Trent. The result
was the mass murder of European and Russian Jewry at the hands of
the Jesuit-controlled SS.
At the close of the Second Thirty Years War
(1945) the Jesuits, with their Vatican Ratline, helped top Nazis to
escape to South America. And where in South America? To the old
dominion where socialist-communism had been perfected by the Jesuit
fathers—to the nation of Paraguay.
The Jesuits entered Paraguay in the early
1600s, sent by the kings of Spain and Portugal. They established
their supremacy over the natives called "Guarani Indians"
and did not allow them to mix with the Spanish or Portuguese. It was
among this people that the Jesuits established their communes called
* * *
THE JESUITS — 1776
The Jesuits, now formally suppressed by the
Pope, were allied with Frederick the Great of Prussia and Catherine
of Russia. The Jesuit General was in control of Scottish Rite
Freemasonry and now sought an alliance with the Masonic House of
Rothschild in England. To accomplish this he chose a Jesuit who was
Jewish by race—Adam Weishaupt. Weishaupt was a brilliant
instructor of Canon Law—the evil Council of Trent—at a Jesuit
university in Bavaria. We read:
"From the Jesuit College of Ingolstadt
is said to have issued the sect known as ‘the Illuminati of
Bavaria’ founded by Adam Weishaupt. Its nominal founder, however,
seems to have played a subordinate though conspicuous role in the
organization of this sect." [Occult Theocracy, Lady
Queenborough, originally published in 1933]
On May 1, 1776, the Order of the Illuminati
was officially founded in the old Jesuit stronghold of Bavaria. The
Company would now use the Jewish House of Rothschild to finance the
French Revolution and the rise of Napoleon the Freemason with his
Jesuit-trained advisor, Abbe Sieyes. In spite of the historical
writings of the Jesuit Abbe Barruel, who blamed the Rothschilds and
Freemasonry for the Revolution, it was the Society of Jesus that
used these very tools to carry out the Revolution and punish the
monarchs who dared to expel the Jesuits from their dominions. The
Jesuits, having been expelled from the Spanish Empire, found refuge
in Corsica. From there they raised up their great avenger, Napoleon
* * *
Lately, it was George Washington who was so
beloved by France’s General Lafayette. During the Revolution our
great chieftain took the "boy General" under his wing for
which cause the Frenchman named his eldest son, George Washington
Lafayette. With this same endearing love the Roman Catholic
"It is my opinion that if the
liberties of this country, the United States of America, are
destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit
priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies of civil
and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of
* * *
Napoleon was captured by the English and
banished to the island of St. Helena. There, his Memoirs were
written which accurately described his masters, the Jesuits:
"The Jesuits are a military
organization, not a religious order. There chief is a general of an
army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this
organization is: POWER. Power in its most despotic exercise.
Absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the
volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of
despotisms: and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of
"The general of the Jesuits insists
on being master, sovereign, over the sovereign. Wherever the Jesuits
are admitted they will be masters, cost what it may. Their society
is by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the irreconcilable
enemy of all constituted authority. Every act, every crime, however
atrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed for the interest of
the Society of the Jesuits, or by the order of the general." [Fifty
Years In The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted
from the 1886 edition, quoting Memorial Of The Captivity Of
Napolean At St. Helena, General Montholon]
* * *
The Knights of Malta and the Jesuits work
(Truth seeker, this may seem irrelevant
now, but it is important for you to be aware of this connection. As
we shall see, the Knights financed Lenin and Hitler from Wall
Street, also using their Federal Reserve Bank headed by Masonic
Jews, Warburg in particular.) The Knights negotiated the Concordat
(a Papal treaty) between the Pope and Hitler in the person of Franz
Von Papen. They also helped top Nazis to escape to North and South
America after World War II in the persons of James Angleton and
Argentina’s President Juan Peron.
In America, the Knights, with their OSS,
later the CIA, were behind "Operation Paperclip". After
World War II, top Nazis and scientists were illegally secreted into
the United States. Many were placed in the top-secret military
installation in Tonapah, Nevada known as "Area 51". The
perfection of the Nazis’ anti-gravity aircraft (flying saucers)
was to be completed there, among other secret technologies.
"Operation Paperclip" was overseen by America’s most
powerful Knight of Malta, J. Peter Grace. J. Peter Grace was subject
to the Jesuit-trained Archbishop Spellman, as the American
headquarters for the Knights was and is St. Patrick’s Cathedral in
* * *
1816 – JOHN ADAMS
Our founding Fathers knew of the Jesuit
intrigue directed at the new Protestant Republic of these United
States of America. In 1816, John Adams wrote to President Jefferson:
"Shall we not have regular swarms of
them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can
assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers, and schoolmasters?
If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on
Earth and in Hell it is this Society of Loyola’s." [The
New Jesuits, George Riemer, 1971]
* * *
PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN
A personal friend of Professor Morse
believed his warning of this Jesuit conspiracy. He was President
Abraham Lincoln. We read:
"The Protestants of both the North and
South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits,
if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which
daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their
religion...are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of
Napoleon III, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our
institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our Constitution,
and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy
here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever
there are any people who want to be free." [Fifty Years In
The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted from the
* * *
The Jesuits — 1868-1872
This new nation would be a centralized
republic with the President exercising powers of an absolute
monarch. The old Federal Republic of Washington would be converted
into a huge centralized Empire, with the ten planks of the Masonic Communist
Manifesto replacing the Ten Commandments of Moses.
In order to accomplish this, the Constitution
had to be amended—"by hook or by crook". It would be
amended in accordance with the Masonic cry of both French
Revolutions. "Liberty" would be the Thirteenth
Amendment. "Equality" would be the Fourteenth
Amendment. "Fraternity" would be the Fifteenth
Amendment. We now will examine the Fourteenth Amendment, as it
was the coup d’etat.
* * *
OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN
Even thought he acted the tyrant in keeping
Maryland from seceding and raised the Army of the Potomac to
"put down the rebellion", there is evidence that he had a
change of heart. Accordingly to many, Lincoln was converted to
Christ after viewing the battlefield at Gettysburg. He later joined
the Presbyterian Church in Washington and had several spiritual
conversations with his close friend and converted priest, Charles
Chiniquy. We read:
"I will repeat to you what I said at
Urbana, when for the first time you told me your fears lest I would
be assassinated by the Jesuits: Man must not care where and when he
will die, provided he dies at the post of honor and duty. But I may
add, today, that I have a presentiment that God will call me to Him
through the hand of an assassin. Let His will, and not mine, be
done! The Pope and the Jesuits, with their infernal Inquisition, are
the only organized powers in the world which have recourse to the
dagger of the assassin to murder those whom they cannot convince
with their arguments or conquer with the sword.... It seems to me
that the Lord wants today, as He wanted in the days of Moses,
another victim.... I cannot conceal from you that my impression is
that I am that victim. So many plots have already been made against
my life, that it is a real miracle that they have failed, when we
consider that the great majority of them were in the hands of
skillful Roman Catholic murderers, evidently trained by Jesuits. But
can we expect that God will make a perpetual miracle to save my
life? I believe not. The Jesuits are so expert in those deeds of
blood, that Henry IV said that it was impossible to escape them, and
he became their victim, though he did all that could be done to
protect himself. My escape from their hands, since the letter of the
Pope to Jeff Davis has sharpened a million daggers to pierce my
breast, would be more than a miracle." [Fifty Years In The
Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1958, originally published in
Of the Jesuit hand in Lincoln’s murder we
"I feel safe in stating that nowhere
else can be found in one book the connected presentation of the
story leading up to the death of Abraham Lincoln, which was
instigated by the "black" pope, the General of the Jesuit
Order, camouflaged by the "white" pope, Pius IX, aided,
abetted and financed by other "Divine Righters" of Europe,
and finally consummated by the Roman Hierarchy and their paid agents
in this country and French Canada on "Good Friday" night,
April 14, 1865, at Ford’s Theatre, Washington, D.C." [The
Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln,
Burke McCarty, 1973, originally published in 1924]
* * *
THE JESUITS — 1945-1990
The Great and Terrible Second Thirty
Years’ War was now over. Europe, Russia, North Africa, China, and
Japan were "a universal wreck" thanks to the Company of
Jesus. Millions of "heretics" had been
"extirpated" pursuant to the Jesuit Oath and the
Council of Trent. Unlike the Treaty of Westphalia ending the First
Thirty Years’ War, the agents of the Jesuits controlled the
negotiations at Yalta and Potsdam ending the second Thirty Years’
It was time to apply the Jesuits’
Hegelian Dialectic worldwide. It would be known as "the Cold
War". The thesis and antithesis would be "the Free World
in the West" verses "the Communist Block in the
East". The American Empire would head the West, and the Russian
Empire would lead the East. Both sides would be financed by the
Jesuits’ International Banking Cartel centered in London and New
York—the Federal Reserve and Chase-Manhattan Banks in particular.
The synthesis would be the destruction of
the American Empire through the so-called "ending of the Cold
War". The illusion of ending the Cold War would legally enable
Rome’s Corporate Monopolies, federated together in New York City
under the leadership of the Council on Foreign Relations, to give
Russia and China high technology and financial backing. The giving
of these necessities would perfect the War Machines of both
economically communist and politically fascist giants for the
purpose of invading North America, it containing the majority
of the world’s Protestants, Baptists, and Jews. It is for these
reasons that the financial might of Hong Kong was given to Red
China, along with an American Naval Base in Long Beach, California.
It is for these reasons that the Panama Canal, built with American
blood, sweat, tears and Yellow Fever, was given away to Panama to be
manned by Chinese soldiers imperiling the American navy. It is for
these reasons that the Jesuits in control of Washington have
established nationwide gun registration for the purpose of
nationwide gun confiscation just as they did in Hitler’s
Germany. It is for these reasons that the Jesuits, with their
international corporations managed by the Knights of Malta, have
financed and continue to build both the Russian and Chinese War
Machines, while influencing American Presidents to close down scores
of military installations across the country. These facts spell invasion—massive
invasion by millions of foreign soldiers, with no God and no
mercy. And if the Jesuits can manage to blow-up the Dome of the Rock
in Jerusalem and blame the American Empire for it, the Arabs will
declare a holy war against "the great Satan". The private
wealth of Americans using International Business Corporations with
bank accounts in the Bahamas will be seized just as they were in
Castro’s Cuba. (The Knights have moved all their wealth into
European banks denominated in Franks and Marks as well as
Eurodollars, thereby escaping the coming American economic
Meanwhile, as the Jesuits, with their
American dictator’s internal police (FEMA) and foreign invaders,
are "extirpating" "the execrable race" of
American "heretics" and "liberals", the European
nations will be driven to lay down their historic differences and
This unification will restore the Holy
Roman Empire, for which reason the Jesuits are rapidly rebuilding
Rome. When the smoke clears, China will control the East, Russia
will control the North, and a unified R.C. [Roman Catholic]
Europe will control the West. The Pope’s International
Intelligence Community will see to it that Jerusalem is declared an
international city with Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in her midst.
World government will ensue and the Jesuits’ "blessed
despotism" of the Dark Ages will have arrived, with the Pope
being the Universal Despot of the World, so appropriately described
in the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, while being the World
Authority of The Documents Of Vatican II.
* * *
The Jesuits — 1963
THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
"It is of faith that the Pope has the
right of deposing heretical and rebel kings. Monarchs so
deposed by the Pope are converted into notorious tyrants, and
may be killed by the first who can reach them.
"If the public cause cannot meet with
its defense in the death of a tyrant, it is lawful for the first who
arrives, to assassinate him." [Defensio Didei,
Jesuit Suarez, Book VI. C 4, Nos. 13, 14]
Freed remembers what apparently passes for
polite conversation when men such as Colby and Cline get together.
"It was quite bizzare" Freed said, "for the subject
they chose was, ‘When is it acceptable to assassinate a head of
state?’ Colby presented what he said was a theological and
philosophically sound approach. The Catholic Church, he said, had
long since wrestled with this question and had, to Colby’s mind,
emerged with a sound concept: "It is acceptable" he
said, "to assassinate a tyrant." [Plausible
Denial, Mark Lane, 1991, p. 85]
"A conspiracy is rarely, if ever,
proved by positive testimony. When a crime of high magnitude is
about to be perpetrated by a combination of individuals, they do not
act openly, but covertly and secretly. The purpose formed is known
only to those who enter into it. Unless one of the original
conspirators betray his companions and give evidence against them,
their guilt can be proved only by circumstantial evidence...and
circumstances can not lie." [Special Judge Advocate John A.
Bingham, quoted in The Trial Of The Conspirators, Washington,
This chapter will examine the forest, not
the trees. The hundreds of works covering the assassination can be
reduced to a few simple facts. These facts viewed in the context of
the previous chapters lead us to the "Lion" in his
"Den of Iniquity" that had the power to execute
Kennedy’s murder and successfully cover it up. That Lion was the
Cardinal of New York and his Den of Iniquity was St. Patricks’
Cathedral, "the Little Vatican", and home base of the
American Branch of the Knights of Malta. From the death of Cardinal
Spellman in 1967 until now (1999), the succeeding "Lions"
having kept the assassination covered-up were: Cardinal Cooke
(himself a Knight of Malta) and Cardinal O’Connor, a former Navy
Chaplain during Spellman’s Vietnam War, and presently the
Archbishop of New York.
Knowing that President Kennedy was not
going to escalate the Vietnam War, the Intelligence Community began
to prepare for his assassination. Roman Catholic Lee Oswald was
chosen to be a patsy.... As a CIA agent, he had been sent to Soviet
Russia by Allen Dulles in 1959, supposedly as a defector. Knowing
that the CIA (OSS) and the KGB (NKVD) had worked together during
WW-II, Oswald apparently took a vacation for nearly two years.
During that time he married a Russian whose uncle was a Colonel in
When he returned to the American Empire in
1962, he associated with CIA agents Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis,
David Ferrie, Guy Banister, Count George DeMohrenschildt, and Clay
Shaw. Oswald was CIA, and related to a Jesuit. Emannuel Josephson
"An interesting angle is presented by
the Lee Oswald involvement. His cousin is reported to be a Jesuit
priest. And it is a matter of record that Lee Oswald was invited to
address the Jesuit college in Springhill, Alabama, on the subject of
his activities, two weeks before the Kennedy Assassination. The
Jesuit involvement closely parallels that in the Lincoln
Assassination." [The Federal Reserve Conspiracy And
Rockefellers, Emanuel M. Josephson, 1968]
Jim Garrison clearly proved the CIA was
involved in the assassination through Clay Shaw. He writes:
"...we discovered Shaw’s extensive
international role as an employee of the CIA. Shaw’s secret life
as an Agency man in Rome, trying to bring Fascism back to Italy, was
exposed in articles in the Italian press.... To me among the most
significant revelations were...the confirmation by both Victor
Marchetti and Richard Helms that Clay Shaw had been an agent of the
Central Intelligence Agency." [On The Trail Of The Assassins,
Jim Garrison, 1991]
And who was the Director of the CIA in
1963? It was Knight of Malta John McCone. Prior to that McCone had
been a defense contractor who had formally headed the Atomic Energy
Commission. Later in 1970, he was a board member of ITT while
remaining a CIA consultant. Marchetti tells us:
"[The] ITT board member who later
admitted to a Senate investigative committee that he had played the
key role in bringing together CIA and ITT officials was John McCone,
director of the CIA during the Kennedy administration and, in 1970,
a CIA consultant." [The CIA And The Cult Of Intelligence,
Victor Marchetti, 1975]
Cardinal Spellman’s soldier, John McCone,
Director of the CIA, participated in the Kennedy assassination.
Jim Garrison and others have proved that
the FBI was also involved in the assassination. He writes:
"I already had concluded that parts of
the local Dallas law enforcement establishment were probably
implicated in the assassination or its cover-up. But now I saw that
the highly respected FBI was implicated as well." [On The
Trail Of The Assassins, Jim Garrison, 1991]
Cardinal Spellman had two agents in the
FBI. The first was the Shriner Freemason and brother-Cold Warrior,
J. Edgar Hoover. According to Loftus, Hoover had cooperated with the
Vatican Ratlines resettling Nazi war criminals in the Northeast. Why
would he not cooperate with Spellman now? How could he refuse?
More importantly, Spellman’s key man in
the FBI was Knight of Malta, Cartha DeLoach. As the third in
command, DeLoach was in a position to supervise the assassination
and suppress evidence. Garrison proved DeLoach did in fact suppress
After the assassination we see a telling
relationship between Johnson and DeLoach. DeLoach was known as
Johnson’s man in the FBI and the President would call him any time
of the day. Curt Gentry writes:
"Lyndon Johnson couldn’t sleep. Late
at night he had his aide, Marvin Watson, telehone the DeLoach
bedroom. The president had suddenly become convinced that the murder
of his predecessor had been a conspiracy and wanted more information
from the FBI." [J. Edgar Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,
Curt Gentry, 1991]
This is the Cartha DeLoach who had signed a
five-year contract with Lee Iacocca’s Ford Mercury in connection
with the series, "The FBI". Both DeLoach and Iacocca were
Knights of Malta, subject to Cardinal Spellman during the Kennedy
assassination. Later DeLoach went on to be a director of PepsiCo.
And according to Col. Prouty, that company also participated in
Kennedy’s assassination. We read:
"Nixon was in Dallas with a top
executive of the Pepsi-Cola Company, Mr. Harvey Russel, the general
counsel. Nixon was a legal counsel to that corporation. That top
executive’s son has told of Nixon’s presence in Dallas at the
time of the assassination, and Russell has confirmed the accuracy of
his son’s account. Later, sometime after the shooting, Nixon was
driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr. DeLuca, also an official of
the Pepsi-Cola Company. In addition, the son of another Pepsi-Cola
executive was in Dallas at that time and had dinner with Jack Ruby,
Oswald’s killer, the night before JFK was murdered." [JFK:
The CIA, Vietnam, And The Plot To Assassinate John F. Kennedy,
Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, 1992]
DeLoach, Iacocca, and the Knights of Pepsi,
now PepsiCo, all worked together.
At the time of the assassination in Dallas,
the Catholic priest, Oscar Shubert, was sent from Holy Trinity
Catholic Church in Dallas to administer "Last Rites" for
the President. Knowing that Kennedy’s wounds were wounds of entry,
he reported everything to his superior. Shubert’s superior was the
Bishop of Dallas, then The Most Reverend Thomas Kiely Gorman, DD.
According to Martin Lee’s article entitled "Who Are The
Knights Of Malta?" appearing in the October 14, 1983 edition of
the National Catholic Reporter, Thomas K. Gorman was a Knight
of Malta. Being a brother Knight he reported directly to Cardinal
Spellman, and kept him appraised of what was happening in Dallas.
At the time of the assassination in Dallas,
roughly 12:30 P.M. in the afternoon, all the telephones went dead in
Washington, D.C. for about 30 minutes. How could this have happened?
Someone at ITT had to be responsible, as it served the Washington
area. In 1963, one of the VIPs of ITT was Francis D. Flanagan. You
guessed it. Flanagan was a Knight. Later, McCone, with his brother
knights, coordinated a deal between the CIA and ITT to better work
The author knows there were several Knights
of Columbus involved in the Kennedy assassination. They were working
for the FBI in particular. But the only notable Knight who was
involved was Senator Edward Kennedy in that, through his silence, he
was consenting to his brother’s murder. Maybe this is what has
driven the perpetual Senator from Massachusetts to his ruined
alcoholic life. Let us take a few moments to pray for the Senator
that he might have a change of heart, that he would tell all, and
that we might protect him. For he too was subject to the power of
Lastly we know that the Mafia was involved
in the Kennedy assassination. The Mafia, CIA, FBI, and Office of
Naval Intelligence has been working together throughout World War
II. Jack Ruby was a mafioso and David E. Scheim makes it perfectly
clear in his Contract On America that the Mob had at least
two motives: the Kennedy brothers assault on Organized Crime and the
loss of the Mob’s gambling paradise in Cuba.
But those were not the reasons. The Mafia
Dons were promised that they would make more money than Havana could
ever produce, through the explosion of the international drug trade
made possible by the Vietnam War. If they helped eliminate Kennedy,
Johnson would escalate the war and, thereby, the drug trade. The CIA
would bring the drugs in from the Golden Triangle, distribute them
to the Mafia families, and both would profit.
More importantly, the Mafia’s Commission
had a favor to repay. Cardinal Spellman, through FDR, had arranged
the release of "Lucky" Luciano because of "Operation
Underworld" mentioned in the previous chapter. Now the Cardinal
needed a favor. If refused, Spellman could use the entire
intelligence community which he had helped to organize, to eliminate
any mob boss. If agreed to, new gambling centers would open up,
Atlantic City in particular.
Clearly, if the President was removed,
everybody would acquire more power and wealth, the intelligence
community would become more absolute, and the Cardinal would be even
more respected by his peers in Rome. The rest is history.
Later, in 1964, for the first time in
history, the Pope of Rome set foot in Fourteenth Amendment
America. Cardinal Spellman had performed well and was rewarded by a
visit from his Master, fellow Cold Warrior and Vatican Ratline
handler, Cardinal Montini, who was now Pope Paul VI.
There is yet another reason for the removal
of President Kennedy. He wanted to arm Israel. Loftus writes:
"In September 1962 Kennedy decided to
supply Israel with defensive ground-to-air missiles capable of
stopping aircraft, but not the Egyptian offensive missiles. It was
the first arms sale by the U.S. Government to Israel.... Kennedy
promised the Israelis that as soon as the 1964 election was over, he
would break the CIA ‘into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the
winds’.... With Kennedy’s assassination in November 1963, the
Israelis lost the best friend they had in the White House since
Truman departed." [The Secret War Against The Jews, John
And why did the Vatican’s Jesuits not
want any arms sales to Israel at this time? Why did the
Jesuit-controlled President Johnson turn his back as the Egyptian
army moved up through the Sinai desert to prepare its assault on
Israel in 1967? Because the attack upon Israel had to be provoked.
That attack was provoked by the Jesuits’ International
Intelligence Community through Egypt falsely perceiving the weakness
of the Israeli army and the supposed abandonment of Israel by the
The six-day war, engineered by Knight of
Malta James Angleton, had one primary purpose: the taking of
Jesusalem along with the Temple Mount. The apparent lack of military
hardware on the part of Israel provoked the planned attack by Egypt.
Therefore, Israel launched a preemptive strike and, in six days, the
holy city was in the hands of Rome’s Zionist government.
Had Kennedy armed Israel, the Egyptians
would never have been emboldened to maneuver for war. With no
provoked war, there would have been no Israeli attack. With no
Israeli attack, Jerusalem would never have been taken by the
Zionists, controlled by the Jesuits’ Mossad. With Jerusalem in
Arab hands, the Zionists could never rebuild Solomon’s Temple—unbeknown
to them—for the Jesuits’ "infallible" Pope
"Who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshiped; so he is God sitteth in the temple of God
[Solomon’s rebuilt temple], showing himself that he is God."
[II Thes 2:4]
It is safe to say that the Jesuit General,
using the Pope with his most powerful Cardinal in the American
Empire, assassinated President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
For it was Cardinal Spellman, "the
American Pope" in command of his soldiers, the Knights of
Malta, who oversaw the assassination.
And it was the Knights of Malta, using the
Central Intelligence Agency, who aided in the actual assassination
of the President. Those Knights were: CIA Director, John McCone, CIA
officers William F. Buckley, and Henry Luce.
In 1963, both William F. Buckley and Henry
Luce were personal friends of CIA agent Howard Hunt. We read from
Mark Lane’s Plausible Denial on page 270, concerning Time
and Life magazines, of which Henry Luce was the owner:
"I (Howard Hunt) had them typed up on
a typewriter (fabricated official cables), and they were xeroxed,
and the xeroxes were eventually shown to a person of Mr. (Charles)
Colson’s confidence, and in Time and Life."
Hunt, after swearing that he had never been involved in a
disinformation effort to embarrass Kennedy, had now testified that
he had merely sought to doctor and create evidence to prove that
Kennedy was a murderer.
Again in Plausible Denial we read of
Hunt’s connection with pompous William F. Buckley, Jr. on page
"(G. Gordon) Liddy completed his
testimony perfectly, stating that while he no longer associated with
Hunt, he did see him last, he recalled, when both men demonstrated
their support for another former CIA officer, William F. Buckley, as
Buckley celebrated the anniversary of his television show at the New
York Yacht Club."
Dear truth seeker, Hunt was close to both
powerhouses, Buckley and Luce. Hunt was also working with two of his
fellow criminals in the future Watergate scandal, G. Gordon Liddy
(Jesuit-trained) and Chuck Colson.
And in 1985, it was Mark Lane who proved in
Miami’s federal court that Hunt was in Dallas the day President
Kennedy was murdered. Therefore, the conclusion was obvious. The
CIA, with its agent, E. Howard Hunt, had killed the President. In
the words of the jury’s forewoman, Leslie Armstrong, found on the
inside cover and page 322 of Plausible Denial, we read:
"Mr. Lane was asking us to do
something very difficult. He was asking us to believe that John
Kennedy had been killed by our own government. When we examined the
evidence (for 65 minutes) we were compelled to conclude that the CIA
had indeed killed President Kennedy." Hunt had been part of it,
and that evidence, so painstakingly presented, should now be
examined by the relevant institutions of the United States
Government, so that those responsible for the assassination might be
brought to justice.
Editor’s note: For those of you who
may wish to contact Rick Martin by email, firstname.lastname@example.org
is his new email address.
Attached is an article which has just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I wrote. It is a second, updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My Friends" -- available through Wisdom Books and Press 877-280-2866 ($34.95 plus shipping). The book also contains a gift CD-Rom with 13 rare books on the subject of Jesuit History). Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.
All the best,
Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM Newspaper
No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of
the Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which
the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. — Avro
Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English Historian and Agitator,
1960, The Vatican And World Politics.
The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every law,
Divine and human, may be broken with impunity, and by which the very Bulls of
Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be abhorred
by all honest and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun of Kenmare,
1896, The Black Pope.
The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled
at our feet, climbing to strike us in the heart. — Edwin A. Sherman,
American Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer
Corps Of Hell.
You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a
consummate researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth.
Our readers will know him best as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000
issue of The SPECTRUM—the issue that is known far and wide as the “Black
Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly
well researched historical manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing
detail, where the TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides—at
least that controlling layer which is in the physical dimension.
VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old
documents and historical manuscripts that “certain ones” have done their
very best to remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves. Most of
these documents are so rare that just getting these back into public access and
circulation is a great service to all students of history thirsty for The Truth.
There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to
revisit a number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling questions. After
all, the kind of connections which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than
what we are used to hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we
have noted, with some degree of surprise and “unveiling” over the past year
or so, just who all have come forward to attack Eric’s work—groundlessly and
hysterically (but never to his face). These ones know who they are and have, by
their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly revealed just who they
really work for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!
While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present
day, there were some unresolved issues from the past that likewise required
clarification. On June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric
Phelps, face-to-face, and prevail upon him to answer a few key questions.
Let’s see what he has to say.
Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope”
issue of The SPECTRUM—went around the world a few times. It’s also been on
the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been
distributed, but still no book. What’s happening with the book? Why is it
taking so long to come out in book form?
Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is
because there were several historical mistakes that were corrected by some of
the readers of the manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.
There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of
the Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked
him and made the necessary changes.
There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates,
places, and some times; just a polishing-up of the manuscript, so that it’s
We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit
Order. He read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list
of corrections, which we incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been
many people who have added their polishing touches to it, for which I am
[Editor’s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280-2866 is accepting advance
orders for VATICAN ASSASSINS, the 700-page book, which should be completed by
the second or third week in July. The cost for this huge volume is only $34.95,
which includes a gift CD-ROM containing 13 rare books mostly “missing” from
the world’s library shelves.]
Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the
present day. But, before we get to the present, I would ask you to, once and for
all, clarify something for our readers who may be still confused about The
Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion.
There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They’ve
been called a fraud. They’ve been called a forgery, which means that there was
a document that preceded it that it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point
to the Jews, or the Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your
research indicates otherwise.
Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?
Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler’s
Pope), a very powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican. According to
Alberto Rivera, when speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that
The Protocols were written by Jews loyal to the Pope.
I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was
told the whole story, because he did not have a “need to know”. Withholding
information has always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.
I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who
were loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to
Leo Lehmann—the ex-Irish Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and
set-up the mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He
said that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of
deception, based on their document that they wrote concerning their attack on
the Jansenists, which was called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine.
So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourg-Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret
Meeting At Cheiri .
However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born-again,
Bible-believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment ago. He
wrote a book entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there
were two editions after that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that
the Jesuits wrote The Protocols. But before I get into that, I would just like
to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.
“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from
the nuns and Christian brothers. He began his study for the priesthood at
Mungret College, Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went
to finish his theological studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome,
where he was ordained a priest in 1921. He later studied at New York University
from which he received the degree of M.A.
“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was
recalled to Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a
legal case in which he had been engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of
many American bishops and priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to
South Africa, but was transferred to the United States in 1927 and appointed
pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida. Dr. Lehmann is now
director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor-In-Chief of The
Converted Catholic magazine.”
So, here is a born-again, Bible-believing man who had been an Irish priest, who
had run-ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When
you’re involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the law. And you
know the history of who you are opposing.
Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in
his book, Behind The Dictators, on page 15:
“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned
Elders Of] Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of
which the Jesuits were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to
take effect in France, by the overthrow of the ‘Judaic-Masonic’ government
of the French Republic. But the discovery of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil,
who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the concluding of the
Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties with the French
government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in
“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of
their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.
“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had
continued to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourg-Fontaine against Jansenism—an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among
the secular clergy.”
Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call,
really, Catholic Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of God. They
believed in justification by faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines,
and therefore the Jesuits hated them and later got the Pope to issue a Bull
The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they
concocted this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, against
Martin: What year was this?
Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late
1600s, because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.
[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here,
much like the great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal,
1623-62, was a great mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man-of-letters,
born in Clermont-Ferrand, France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and
later the barometer, the hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent
his time between mathematics (remember Pascal’s triangle and other intriguing
mathematical and geometric discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a
mystical experience that year led him to join his sister, who was a member of
the Jansenist convent at Port-Royal, where he defended Jansenism against the
Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656-7.]
Now, I’ll go back to my reading:
“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret assemblage in
the forest of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the ‘conspirators’ to destroy the
Papacy and establish religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot
against Throne and Altar, and the setting up of a world-government in opposition
to the Catholic Church. There is the same dramatization of the negative pole of
the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring out, by contrast, the
positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all conservative forces—the
monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather to save the world
from Satan’s onslaught.”
Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols,
it’s Communism. Both documents want a world government, under someone other
than the Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols,
based upon The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine; and furthermore, after
this document, The Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge-Fontaine, the next major
document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of
The Order, which was published in 1848.
In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri,
Italy, where he, when he was snooping around in a back room, became trapped when
Jesuit General Roothaan and his provincials came in another room and he listened
to this conversation between the General and his provincials—in the mid-1830s,
around 1834—and while he was hiding, he was taking notes.
They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting-up a World
Government by controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the
monarchies, and thus all the governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s
great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy, published in 1848.
It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which
contributed to the people rising-up against the power of the Jesuits in 1848,
with the Second French Revolution. But that revolution was controlled, the
leadership of it was controlled, and the end result was more power for the
Jesuit Order in Europe.
Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus
Affair [1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council
of Trent [twenty-five sessions of the Council of Trent from 1545-1563]. Can
you put this in perspective?
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and
in France in the late 1800s. There was a man referred to in Ridpath’s
Universal History Of the World—I only found this here—he called his work
“the solution to the Jewish question”. Hitler came along, later, and had the
FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they were fomenting anti-Jewish
hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in France.
Martin: Who are they?
Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries
because, at this time, the Jesuits had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and
they had been expelled from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go after
the Jews through their agents in these two countries.
In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The
Dreyfus Affair had several purposes. It was to create
anti-Semitism—anti-Jewish hatred in France.
I hate to use the word anti-Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews.
And it was also calculated to create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus
was accused of treason in handing secrets over to the German government. It was
all a frame.
He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for 10 years, and
suffered the horrible tortures of Devil’s Island for that period of time. And
then, later, when he was brought back, he was vindicated and found “not
guilty”, and the Jesuits were blamed for having done this. So this became
universally known in France, which ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled,
again, in 1901.
The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against
the Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and Germany. Because,
remember, the French hated the Germans as a result of the trouncing that they
got in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.
So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and
France, we use the Jews to do it so we can get some anti-Jewish fervor going,
which ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy government in France,
when they help the Nazis round-up all the Jews in France and send them to
And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally
readmitted into France. That’s the significance of the Dreyfus Affair.
Martin: And what is the significance of the Council
of Trent in relation to all of these?
Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us Bible-believers
are, all Protestants and all Jews—puts all of us under more than 100 curses
because of what we believe:
We believe in justification by faith.
“Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.”
We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is
not necessary for salvation.
“Accursed be all those who believe that.”
We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread and the wine are
NOT the literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches,
therefore we are accursed because we do not believe in transubstantiation.
And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to
read the Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible
should be in the language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom
of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.
All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned,
anybody who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience, and
freedom of the press.
So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The
Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they
condemn national governments and national sovereignty.
You see, Bible-believers, we believe in national sovereignty.
We do not believe in World Government.
We believe America should be governed by Americans.
We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.
We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.
We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.
We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded
and left the United States, because they wanted to set-up their own national
sovereignty; it was a Protestant maxim upon which they acted.
Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourge-Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And
hence, now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist
Manifesto, because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.
Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who
were the men behind these, historically?
Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola;
Laynez was the second Jesuit General. He was the MASTER-MIND of the Council of
Trent. Laynez was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very
important. And it’s the result of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to
light in 1593, that the Order passed a statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE
JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY important. This is why Weishaupt was not a Jew.
It was against the constitutions of the Order for a Jew to be in the Order.
Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?
Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild,
for the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for
suppressing the Jesuit Order.
So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least
initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was
Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?
Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the
1830s to the mid-1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The
Secret Plan At Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.
Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?
Phelps: Extremely key.
Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?
Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early
1900s. He was the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.
Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical
conclusion that the Jesuits sank the Titanic?
Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the
ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is
working together, such as the Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to
their suppression, and that they had never changed, and they are still working
toward a World Government under the Pope, we look for the Jesuit Order in these
national crises that arise—and in this issue, the Titanic.
We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the
moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they
They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal
Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of
Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright;
they always own it through a trusted third party.
How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the
Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty Years
War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything that transpired fell out for
the benefit of the Vatican, everything.
Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the
Jesuit Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all
those who would be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown,
Ireland, to set out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the
ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.
It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the
Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is
a bosom buddy of the Jesuits.
The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of
a centralized bank in America, particularly John
Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme Court Justice Louis
Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of the central bank.
Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down
with the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?
Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the
wealthiest man in the world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He
did not have more money than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the
world and he was using his wealth NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.
Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which
can be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor
fortune. They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because
they wanted his fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the
establishment of a national bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret
Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other people who
And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story
revolves around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits
killing-off every member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the
fortune when it would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris.
And the man who held the fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got
rid of Astor.
Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?
Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control
Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.
One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the
table and he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking differently. We’ve
got to start thinking like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”
That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola
was the founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they
believe the hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is
white, if the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.
Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is
approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their
side, that FBI agent says: “There’s going to be millions of people who are
going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going down
with the Titanic.”
That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy
assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same
men who sunk the Titanic.
Martin: I’m looking at the front-page headline from a little-known
rag-sheet, and the current headline that I’m reading says: “Khazarian
Zionists Are The Anti-Christ.” Now, what can you explain to our readers about
who might be behind such a headline, and what is the AGENDA of such a headline?
[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication
should know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT
Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.
And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.”
The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They
HATE the Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism.
I’m not speaking of their evil religion, that openly and notoriously rejects
Jesus as the Messiah; even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.
I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the Jewish race, I’m
speaking of the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical
descendants. That’s what I mean when I speak of the Jews.
Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race.
They are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks
specifically about the Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in
John, Chapter IV, we know whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.
So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a
Hebrew of Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew
are all synonymous terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of Jacob.
And, therefore, the Abraham covenant and promises apply to them, and they have
not been fulfilled to this day. They are in the great diaspora—they are in the
And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set-out to
destroy the Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest tool in the
destruction of the Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an
agenda behind it?
Martin: And what is that agenda?
Phelps: The agenda is to create world-wide anti-Jewish fury, in every
nation of the world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel for their final
annihilation when the Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti-Christ,
the risen Pope, brings in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to
destroy all of the Jews, so that they cannot inherent the promises given to
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication,
it’s easy enough to draw the conclusion, from what you’re saying, that the
Jesuits, who control the intelligence community, would be specifically behind
this agenda to foment hate and agitation against the Jewish race.
Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more
American Jews, here in this country, than there are in Israel. And one of their
agendas in the next 10-20 years is to create anti-Jewish fury, and to drive the
American Jews back to Israel, killing millions of them, as well, here, because
they’re planning to bring their Roman Catholic Fascist dictator to
power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they did with
Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did
with Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact agenda here. They’re going
to do it through the Republican, “New Right” party, of which George Bush is
now the head.
Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the
Right-Wing militia movement possibly being influenced with another agenda. Can
you talk about that?
I’ll just say up-front that this is going to strike at the heart of many
people’s belief system. And some may have difficulty with what you say.
Phelps: The Right-Wing militia groups—the posse comitatus, etc., Ku
Klux Klan, the Minutemen, they all have one thing in common: they all hate the
Jews. That puts up a flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me
that they have been imbibed, or indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They
all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis
Farrakhan openly hands-out The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion and
blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems, on the Jews.
So, the Right-Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits
because they are all anti-Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT
Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just don’t have a
clue about the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in
them. There’s not a Catholic around who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit
Order, in their educational power, and the power of government.
We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for
Nixon for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout the government.
There’s not any intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in these
Right-Wing Movements who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuits.
THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE PRESS WON’T TALK ABOUT
So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading to?
Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.
Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another Irish Roman Catholic
sacrificed, just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting to create a national
backlash or agitation against the Right-Wing Movement people, because a lot of
the Right-Wing Movement people are true patriots who want their liberty; they
want to maintain their guns; they want freedom to educate their children as they
wish; they’re decent people, but they are not aware that the leadership is
controlled by the Vatican.
So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to
justify going after these Right-Wing, conservative, many of them
Bible-believing, people in this movement, for their round-up and extermination.
But it didn’t quite work.
So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole
execution could have been stayed with one phone call from the Archbishop of New
York to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.
That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of
anti-Right-Wing feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the Right-Wing
organizations, will betray their own people, just exactly as the White Russians
were betrayed during the Communist Revolution from 1917-1922.
Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed his armies to
the East, cut-off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in
the snows of Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned
250,000 men; that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our Right-Wing
patriotic people who are the only bulwark against tyranny in this country today.
Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present
day, let’s stop for a minute, once again, and talk about JFK’s
assassination. I’m going to mention a few names, and then let’s talk about
the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and the reasons why.
John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry
Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What
are their relationships? And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the
Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the
responsibility for the JFK assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you
Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again:
Who benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to
the works of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in
1965. We also know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of
their military, covert operations were going to be handed-over to the Army
Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited, and those who wanted the Vietnam
We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that
many factions did, but we see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted
the Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a
fascist Roman Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of
the Secret Police. So, Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem was
assassinated because Kennedy withdrew the CIA representative out of Saigon.
The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel
over there at the war-front and he’d call the soldiers the “soldiers of
Christ”, according to Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We
Go? So, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman
wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted
the Vietnam War, the Black Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit General.
Martin: Who was?
Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was
Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an agenda.
Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate
as many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists have always been the
enemies of the Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do?
They outlawed, they made it so that the government of Japan would not support
the Buddhist religion anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So
they’ve always been the enemy of the Buddhists.
The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar
debt for the American people, and that debt was incurred by the Congress, who
borrowed that money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.
So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of “heretics”. They
preserved the CIA.
Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set-up by one particular
man, Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s most sinister
General. And so, he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the
CIA in the West. It was also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were
called “Freedom Fighters”; they were really working for the KGB, these SS,
Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the KGB, he controls the CIA.
Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for
public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the
American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because, remember, Roman
Catholicism, left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has
nothing to offer. There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of press.
THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON’T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY DON’T
OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT’S ALL OWNED BY THE HIERARCHY.
They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that’s not good
enough. Catholic people don’t want that in America. Catholic people, for the
most part, enjoy freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a
profit; all of those things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of
South America and Central America.
Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact that there have been
100-200 people killed who knew anything about the JFK assassination—why do you
think it’s never come out?
Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was
a member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca
was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the
press! And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank
Shakespeare, who was a Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC,
and Time/Life; that’s why Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.
I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black Pope” interview
we did back in May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since that time, there has
not been one Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in
any way, denying that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several
clandestine Jesuits who are in complete agreement, and who admit that this is
exactly what was done.
Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei
in the background as being the real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the
power over the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in
Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in
control of the Knights of Malta, and therefore there are Knights of Malta in
The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the
Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen
and politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s work”—that’s
what Opus Dei means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world,
ruling the world from Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of
And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were
killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the
sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.
But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei
was created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in
the 11th Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540,
with Ignatius Loyola.
So, the super-secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of
Malta, were in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the
Knights of Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to
rest—until the book comes out!—let’s talk about the present day.
There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and
concerned about. I’ll just mention a few countries, and then we can begin:
Israel, Cuba, China, North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our
relationship with these countries? How are we going to be sucked-in to a
conflict? And what are the ramifications going to be? Lines in the sand are
being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful nations, and why
should we be concerned about that?
That’s a big question.
Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I
I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was
established in 1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the
Confederate Republic of sovereign nation states that Washington established in
The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal
power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the last 100 years. And
that’s why they have garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That’s
why they have laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with
which they finance these crusades around the world.
So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the
temporal power of the Pope around the world, especially over Orthodox Russia,
Buddhist China, Buddhist Japan, South and Central America through the CIA; this
is the purpose for the British and America Empires. They used the British Empire
in the 19th Century to do this, and they used the American Empire in the 20th
Century to do this. So they take the most powerful Protestant empires, and the
wealthiest, harness their governments, and use such for their own purposes.
Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy
it. And we must remember that America is the haven for the Jews of the world,
which the Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for Bible-believing
Protestants, called “heretics”, who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the
haven for peoples of many, many different races who simply want to have some
liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the Jesuits have
The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now.
We are no longer a White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are
composed of a host of different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs,
and thus this nation has been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted
mess, with no real national purpose anymore.
The Jesuits have fired-up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They
continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.
They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin
with. When he came back from Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the
Nation of Islam, along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they both had the
same paymasters”. And he was absolutely right. They have agitated and broken
apart this country, so we have no more national purpose.
The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us. They’ve closed-down
over 100 military bases. We have no domestic defense. The foreigners, the
Mexicans come across the borders by the thousands, and the major corporations
hire them, and they do their work for them, which is all illegal. It should be
punished by law. But we have no punishment by law in this country anymore.
So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have
the destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will
cease to be great, because there is not a nation in the world that’s a nation
of color that can compete on the international scale of business and trade and
commerce; they can’t do it.
A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used
to be a prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the amalgamation and
inter-racial marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic,
Jesuit-trained Dictator named Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable place to live.
And that is EXACTLY what this country is going to be like if it continues on the
track it is now on.
The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used for the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they are going to break apart the Empire.
And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve done is they’ve created this issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was court-martialed. But nonetheless, it was a deliberate act of murder, because with that kind of technology on a submarine, you just don’t hit a boat. And you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine either. That’s ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this incident.
They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the
bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They’re creating agitations with
China, Japan, which will ultimately result in Japan and China uniting. With the
military power of China, with the economic power of Japan—when already Hong
Kong has been given to China, which now, because of that financial might, China
is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they control the canal locks
through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now building the largest
shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red Chinese. The Red
Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now Cosco.
So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach-head when they
The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn’t have the
fleet right now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the largest merchant
marine fleet in the world. And we are very much deceived into thinking that
China and Russia are enemies. They are not enemies; they work together. They are
controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The Jesuits run Peking; they also run
Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run the dictator of Russia. It
doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names are. The
Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they’re out! Just like in the
So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re creating a huge
coalition of Oriental nations for our invasion.
Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese
troops in Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators in the Kennedy
assassination and the Watergate cover-up, is now the false Bible-believer, the
false Protestant. He’s working for the Jesuits because the head of his prison
fellowship is a Roman Catholic.
Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan
to save these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that
is accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a large military
force in the Sudan, and there’s a large military force in Somalia. What do you
think it would take for those two military forces to clash?
And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which
I believe is what the Jesuits want. Because, if that happens, there can be a
surgical strike into Jerusalem for the blowing-up of the Dome of the Rock. The
Moslems, the Muftis, have known that was the intent of the Zionists for years,
the blowing of the Dome of the Rock, so that Solomon’s Temple can be rebuilt.
And you can find this information in Pierre van Paassen’s great work, written
in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this coalition with the 14th
Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa, this could
Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock?
Well, the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy
place in their religion. They would call for a Jihad against “The Great
Satan”, the United States. And with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United
States, they would then go across Africa to West Africa. There will probably be
a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried across the Atlantic Ocean
into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base for the invasion
of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of liberty in
Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact,
it is a virtuous act.
So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers
will be landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the South of the
United States, coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also
a Chinese military force coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the
Panama Canal to unite with them in the attack of the American South. With the
blood bath that will ensue, this whole coalition of nations: China, Russia,
Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the destruction and annihilation of this
North American population, WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.
It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the
government of the United States is seeking our total disarmament and the
abolition of all gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years,
has been anti-gun-ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down,
we have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no Army—it’s a
totally demoralized Army, with this forced integration; and we have Black
supremacy in the Army.
I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have
a demoralized American Army that doesn’t know what to fight.
Martin: Let me just jump-in here to say that Bush is beefing-up the military,
reversing what was done previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak
Army when we’re about to spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just
Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the
same Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were already scaling-down with
Carter and Reagan and Ford.
And so, this whole idea of re-armament, it might be for some super-system of
preventing missiles from coming in, an anti-ballistic missile system, but
that’s ridiculous, because we know there is no such thing as universal nuclear
war. We have no evidence that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.
We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have
contorted that into the hoax of thermo-nuclear war, which I do not believe can
happen. Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn’t
believe it can happen; and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other
physicists don’t believe it’s possible, which now limits us to a standing
army of men who know how to fight, which we do not have. We don’t have it
So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population,
it would be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem
troopers. They landed in the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they
then invaded Spain, and they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was
backing Franco! This is in the 1930s.
If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they used Moslems
to kill Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn’t they use
Moslems to kill Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman
Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t they do the same thing here? Sure they would. So
that’s what is happening in the United States.
Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and
theoretically being given a hard time by the European community? What do you see
happening in Europe right now?
Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.
Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the
Jesuits in the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our
friend Leo Lehmann said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942—a reunited
Holy Roman Empire with a Catholic Germany at it’s core.
Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?
Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color
Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our
readers will be aware of the extent of the bibliography supporting the
contentions of your research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible-believers of England
are greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit-controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately,
bring England into that Union. And Bush is helping to co-ordinate that, because
the Federal Reserve Bank, the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest
contributors, or players, in international trading.
Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the
Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head
of the Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the Federal
Reserve Bank on the Jews.
We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful
Federal Reserve Bank—because there are 12 of them—in New York is a man named
McDonough. He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of the Council on
Foreign Relations. He’s a friend, a bosom-buddy of O’Hare, who is the
President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of Fordham University.
Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s always Jews,
Jews, Jews. Jews are just pawns. They’ve always been the bankers for the Pope.
The Masonic Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And before the
Rothschild's, it was the Fuggers.
Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?
Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really
the Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who
will be their leader for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who’s
yet to come. And so, the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.
Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served
well? Is that why he’s been allowed to stay on so long?
Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This
supposed rift between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the Jesuits with their
Liberation Theology in Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope
is completely emasculated with regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.
The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of
Pope Pius VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.
THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PAPACY, AND THEY ARE THE
ONES IN POWER.
Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police
or the SS were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police
of the Vatican Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the
Vatican and the Papacy and the hierarchy would fall apart.
Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.
Martin: Let’s talk about that.
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was
elected Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of
Spain, the Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted
that a Pope would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order,
because the Jesuits were busy making billions in South America, and never gave a
dime to the Portuguese King and the Spanish King.
Martin: How were they making money in South America?
Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.
Martin: What are Reductions?
Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a
commune in Russia.
Martin: And what years are we talking about.
Phelps: We’re talking between 1600-1750, roughly 150 years of these
Reductions, where these Garani Indians were putting hides and tallow and clocks
and the Paraguay herb and many, many commodities into international shipping and
trade—which the Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black
Ships”, and had HUGE commercial profits with which they started banks in
Europe and then funded wars. And one of the projects that they funded were the
Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?
Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its
Martin: What is a Bull?
Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful
method of speaking. It’s sealed with “the seal of the fishman”. A
“brief” does not have that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it can
be overruled with a Bull.
Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order
Phelps: Forever! After a 4-year investigation of all their intrigues, of all
their power, of all their wealth, of all their buildings, everything, after a
4-year investigation they were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement
XIII was about to do the same thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.
So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4-year investigation, he
suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: “This suppression will be my
Martin: And it was.
Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits
with a poison called Aquetta.
It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain.
And when he was embalmed, the intestines exploded and they could not have an
open-casket for viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his
fingernails turned black; his skin turned black; all his hair fell out; so they
decided they could not have an open display of the Pope in his garb. So they had
a closed casket.
Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit
Order, was later overruled?
Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?
Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though,
according to Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the
Cusack’s The Black Pope, even though they said it was a Bull, and Thompson
said it was in the Library of the Bulls in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the
Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And, therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon
their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits, which
“overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.
BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND THEIR [contrived] RESTORATION
WAS A BULL.
Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re just going to
go with the flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their instructions to
the Queen? Where is their seat of power in England, specifically?
Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An
English Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe,
1795—about the time of the French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic
Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control
England. And they were brought into England and helped at that by King George
III. King George was the bosom-buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs
have been their bosom-buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few
years; I believe he reigned for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very
same thing; she ruled from 1837-1901.
So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England
through Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal Institute for
International Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the
Archbishop of Westminster.
So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the
Archbishop of New York in the United States. They rule England through
Stonyhurst. They rule the United States through Georgetown and Fordham. They
rule England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule
the United States through the Council on Foreign Relations.
It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a
Vatican Empire. That’s how they rule.
In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So,
the Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New York. And it’s the
Patriarch, there in Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the inquisition there,
called the gulag. Agagianian was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by
Pope Pius XII, the very same year, 1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made
Cardinal for the American Empire.
Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?
Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And
the Mafia takes care of all organized crime. They took care of the booze, before
it was legalized. They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running,
all the crime is organized by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the five
Mafia families of New York.
It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same
location, and not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is
very close to his mob bosses.
Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano,
called Operation Underworld. Here’s Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a
“successful Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential
and causes the release of Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have
the relationship of Cardinal Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had
that power, every Cardinal afterward has the same power. They don’t lose any
Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and
the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino.
Gambino was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of
the way, so they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight
of Malta, who is subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the
Archbishop controlling the Knights of Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and
Frank Sinatra is a good friend of a mafia don.
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind
Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?
Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that
would have overturned the Throne of England, because she still had rights
through her children. Because her sons would one day occupy the British throne,
and if she is alive with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in
England. Because everybody knows that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of
control over the King. And there would have been an Islamic, Arab influence on
the Queen, who would influence her son, who would be King, who is now Prince.
Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that
she was pregnant with Dodi’s child?
Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of her—absolutely. And
they sent a message to all the other British nobility by saying: “If you do
this, we’re going to do the same thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her
in the cemetery, on the Windsor property, where only dogs are buried. She’s
buried with dogs.
Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?
Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.
Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article
from Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks
about the incredible financial influence, and power, and control in California
and elsewhere by the Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any
relationship between the Yakuza and the Jesuits?
Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have
to go back in the history of Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously,
expelled the Jesuits from their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years.
The Jesuits were forbidden to ever enter Japan!
The Japanese, then, kicked-out the Portuguese; they kicked-out the Spanish. The
only ones who could ever trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch.
Well, when the Jesuits were beginning to get control of our country, they got
control of Polk. And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1853-1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now
“foreigners” can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an agitation and a
revolution in Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about
35, wanted to get rid of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was
According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he
was killed by Sassoon House—the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the
Jesuits, because the son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873
to 1912, and this Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.
This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all
those years. The Jesuits during that time dis-established the Buddhists as a
state religion, and made tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the
Dynasty, because they were going to use Japan to foment a war with the United
States for the purpose of eliminating as much Buddhism as they could from the
Far East, and weakening the American Protestants, and many other purposes, such
as killing off Protestant missionaries in the Far East—whereas the Japanese
Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And this is according to the
Jesuits’ own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or 1944.
This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza.
So now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that power. They maintained
power over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan
Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai
Pan, symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black Pope?
Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret Society that
Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.
Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.
Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?
Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of
Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a
religious order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.
Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a
country to talk about Christ and God and so forth, they really want to capture
the power and wealth of every country, to submit every country to the temporal,
Earthly, political power of the Pope.
Martin: I don’t want to get too far off-subject here, but would you say “As
with the Jews, so with the Yakuza”?
Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic
Yakuza. They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into one.
Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?
Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.
Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?
Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book
VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite
Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of
Louis LeGrand, in Paris, France.
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.
Martin: Do you have any names behind that?
Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one.
Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have
Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild
Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.
And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a
Mason, and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in
the Communist Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.
So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8
degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while
Fredrick protected the Jesuits and gave them the ability to live in his country,
while they were being suppressed by the Pope.
Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the
Yakuza own many, many businesses in this country, many, many banks are owned and
controlled in California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying
that’s just a front?
Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia,
which is the foremost Mafia in organized crime.
Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t exist.”!
Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney. It is just a front.
They hold the property, they hold the money for the Vatican.
Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?
Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also
believe that there is some kind of hand involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with
this. Bruce Lee was not going along with the Catholic Church.
Martin: And he was giving away secrets.
Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going
along with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his
films were made in Hong Kong.
Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.
Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie-making set also. So his son knew
something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her
mouth. So there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.
Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research
uncovered any names behind Bobby Kennedy’s assassination?
Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger,
shot him in the back of the head with a twenty-two. And Officer Cesar was an
employee for Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan,
So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet-ridden
limousine of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so,
some Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I don’t know who it
was, dispatches Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in
turn, shoots and kills him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a
Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?
Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of
California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and
terrible Japanese concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was
behind the anti-Jap agitation in World War II.
The Japanese are decent, law-abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They
had all their farms taken from them. They were in control of all of the produce,
and they had it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of
Malta-controlled corporations—just as was done to the American Indian. They
went into their burial grounds and stole all their gold, and used their missions
to send it back to Rome.
So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put
him on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief Justice.
He was a 33rd-degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced
amalgamation, forced race-mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced
integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.
Martin: I’m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be
on the minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you are merely
substituting the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and
animosity toward Jesuit people? Why is that not so?
Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit
Order and the Jewish race.
We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t know. I think
only God knows who it is. But it’s a civilization of people who are engaged in
commerce and trade, and they have cultures, they have communities.
Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath. When you become
professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret Instructions.
According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree beyond the 4th
Degree, where it’s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito,
who died mysteriously in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim
Arrabito was one of the chief guys in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a
master of Jesuit history. You can get his videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from
But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly—one is
a people, and one is an Order determined to subvert all nations to the
jurisdiction of the Pope.
And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN
ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on CD-ROM, with four distinct different
histories showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly what they were
doing then, and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.
Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying? Rather than just being
another wild conspiracy theory, it’s your position that you’ve really proven
that this is a fact, and not fantasy?
Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they’ve said.
If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a
nun, a converted nun to Christ in 1896.
Martin: And why is she so important?
Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially
Jesuits, prior to her conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the
Martin: Why is that book so important?
Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the
world! There is only one in existence that I know of, that’s publicly
accessible, and that is in the British Museum.
It’s also accessible on the CD-ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS,
for those of your readers who would like it. But, other than that, it’s a
suppressed document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are the four
major histories of the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD-ROM [along with
a number of other rare and otherwise “missing” research documents].
Martin: So you’re saying that the time-lines that you put forth, and the
conclusions that you draw, are really based on historical experts over the last
two centuries? This is not just your position?
Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little
cricket. These people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman
Catholic, converted to Christ, involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had
to flee for his life, was in exile in England, and there he wrote his great
History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits sought to destroy
England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under Victoria.
Martin: And they have.
Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great
German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by the German people—823 pages
of meticulous documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was
the one, I learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second
Thirty-Years War, another Thirty-Years War. And he wrote that, the second
edition was in 1873.
[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical
“Thirty-Years War” did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric
mentioned earlier in this interview in conjunction with financing it through the
setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank fraud.]
So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and
power of the Jesuit Order.
We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what
they’ve accomplished from 1900-2000. I would hope that somebody who knows
these histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose
(unlike myself) would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of
this. Ridpath came close to it, but he ended his work in the mid-1850s, with his
Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World]. We have not had a significant
historian do this modern work for us.
Martin: And why is that?
Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought
and paid for! And these universities won’t get grants if they start to expose
the Jesuit Order.
Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully said about the
Jesuit Order will generate attempts to contort it into some kind of a hate
crime, which is NOT what we’re doing. We are merely telling the truth.
Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you
like to see, ultimately, happen in this country?
Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what
happened in England in the 16th Century, when several Jesuits left the Order.
They were intelligent, powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow
They told the powers-that-be about what they were supposed to do, and as a
result, the government of England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions,
because they were regarded as traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of
legitimate government—of self-rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled
by its own people.
The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be
outlawed and banned.
There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell
what they know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that when this government
is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the
Jesuits? The government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and
Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and
racial persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a
lawful conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims and
objectives are—namely, the overthrow of this government.
Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for
their own purposes. And then using this government, with a coalition of other
governments they control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and
“liberal” population of this country, pursuant to the Council of Trent, that
every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.
Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points
about the Jesuit Order. Our readers will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both thought AND action!
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